Dirty Harry may be moving to Arizona.... :D

TXAZ · March 9, 2011, 11:36 PM

The Arizona Senate, (the guys that started the SB 1070 movement that 1/2 the states are now considering adopting) just unanimously passed SB 1469, Which greatly strengthens the Arizona Castle Doctrine / "Make my day" law.

http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/206257

This will be interesting to watch it progress, where many observers expect it to pass and be signed quickly.

Davey · March 9, 2011, 11:57 PM

What does Castle Doctrine give citizens that they don't have without it? I mean here in IL I can still shoot a guy if I have to in my own house.

youngunz4life · March 10, 2011, 12:10 AM

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What does Castle Doctrine give citizens that they don't have without it? I mean here in IL I can still shoot a guy if I have to in my own house.

the family member of a victim(badguy) does not have the right to sue when one is protected by a castle doctrine. It also finely defines one's right to use deadly force, so the person exercising his/her right to use deadly force is better protected.

thrgunsmith · March 12, 2011, 02:22 AM

ianal but most make my day laws also mean you're under NO obligation to retreat before defending your self, recently a ccw'er in FL shot two young thugs who attacked as he was jogging. (I think they were looking to bash gays but that's conjecture) under old law he would have had to retreat first then shoot if pursued-he shot after the attack & wasn't prosecuted.
IANAL

ETA I highlighted my typo

Wildalaska · March 12, 2011, 02:56 AM

So called Make My Day Laws make sense in a legal context, and little in a moral one.

WildbutidontpretendtohavealltheanswersAlaska ™©2002-2011

Edward429451 · March 12, 2011, 03:13 AM

We have no duty to retreat in Colorado.

Double Naught Spy · March 12, 2011, 08:21 AM

It is a good law, but labeling it with the name of a fictional cop who operated on some less than legal motives isn't really what the law concerns. It isn't about vigilante justice. It is about being able to legally employ lethal self defense in a situation where it would be appropriate to use it, usually in defense of life, without needless conditions such as the need to retreat.

Hero figure or not, Dirty Harry didn't exactly follow the law and his catch phrase isn't well associated here.

ltc444 · March 12, 2011, 11:17 AM

The importantance of the AZ law and its expansion is this.

1. The law presumes that if you shoot someone on your property it is self defense.
2. Unfortunately, certain police agencies, Pima County SO, and a number of county attorneys found ways to avoide the intent of the law and have charged and convicted persons who should not have been convicted or even charged. The modification to the existing law is to protect us from the abuse.
3. Your best course, after a shooting incident, is to call 911 and report the event, call an experienced attorney, and keep your mouth shut.

A man is serving a sentence now because, despite doing everything right, he opened his mouth and made statements which an over zealous DA used against him.

thallub · March 12, 2011, 12:35 PM

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ianal but most make my day laws also mean you're under obligation to retreat before defending your self,

Huh?

The OK "make my day" law does not require one to retreat before using deadly force. The OK "make my day" was passed in 1987, since then no person has been successfully sued in civil court for a righteous home defense shooting.

thrgunsmith · March 12, 2011, 03:04 PM

^^^ oops! typo!! ^^^ thanks!!

Musketeer · March 13, 2011, 10:21 AM

Calling these "make my day" laws is really a poor way for us to make our case to the uninformed public. Call it "lawful defense" or another positive phrase. "Make my day" immediately brings vigilante justice to the general public's mind and hurts our position.

Glenn E. Meyer · March 13, 2011, 02:47 PM

I agree. The link says nothing about Dirty Harry or promoting killing folks. Using that terminology is troublesome. You might look for the thread I started about the castle doctrine in TX. I think that Dirty Harry would have been better off staying in his house.

Closed.

March 9, 2011, 11:36 PM	#1
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	Dirty Harry may be moving to Arizona.... :D The Arizona Senate, (the guys that started the SB 1070 movement that 1/2 the states are now considering adopting) just unanimously passed SB 1469, Which greatly strengthens the Arizona Castle Doctrine / "Make my day" law. http://e-lobbyist.com/gaits/text/206257 This will be interesting to watch it progress, where many observers expect it to pass and be signed quickly. __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

March 12, 2011, 02:22 AM	#4
thrgunsmith Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 196	ianal but most make my day laws also mean you're under NO obligation to retreat before defending your self, recently a ccw'er in FL shot two young thugs who attacked as he was jogging. (I think they were looking to bash gays but that's conjecture) under old law he would have had to retreat first then shoot if pursued-he shot after the attack & wasn't prosecuted. *IANAL* ETA I highlighted my typo __________________ R.I.P Sam "Trout" Barbetta 82nd Airborne, S.F biker, friend. http://www.ahalenia.com/memorial/sbarbetta.html Last edited by thrgunsmith; March 12, 2011 at 03:06 PM. Reason: TYPO!

March 12, 2011, 08:21 AM	#7
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	It is a good law, but labeling it with the name of a fictional cop who operated on some less than legal motives isn't really what the law concerns. It isn't about vigilante justice. It is about being able to legally employ lethal self defense in a situation where it would be appropriate to use it, usually in defense of life, without needless conditions such as the need to retreat. Hero figure or not, Dirty Harry didn't exactly follow the law and his catch phrase isn't well associated here. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

March 12, 2011, 11:17 AM	#8
ltc444 Senior Member Join Date: March 3, 2011 Location: Vernon AZ Posts: 1,195	AZ home defense law The importantance of the AZ law and its expansion is this. 1. The law presumes that if you shoot someone on your property it is self defense. 2. Unfortunately, certain police agencies, Pima County SO, and a number of county attorneys found ways to avoide the intent of the law and have charged and convicted persons who should not have been convicted or even charged. The modification to the existing law is to protect us from the abuse. 3. Your best course, after a shooting incident, is to call 911 and report the event, call an experienced attorney, and keep your mouth shut. A man is serving a sentence now because, despite doing everything right, he opened his mouth and made statements which an over zealous DA used against him.

March 12, 2011, 03:04 PM	#10
thrgunsmith Senior Member Join Date: May 28, 2007 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 196	^^^ oops! typo!! ^^^ thanks!! __________________ R.I.P Sam "Trout" Barbetta 82nd Airborne, S.F biker, friend. http://www.ahalenia.com/memorial/sbarbetta.html

March 9, 2011, 11:57 PM	#2
Davey Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: Not far enough from Chicago Posts: 394	What does Castle Doctrine give citizens that they don't have without it? I mean here in IL I can still shoot a guy if I have to in my own house.

March 12, 2011, 02:56 AM	#5
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	So called Make My Day Laws make sense in a legal context, and little in a moral one. WildbutidontpretendtohavealltheanswersAlaska ™©2002-2011

March 12, 2011, 03:13 AM	#6
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	We have no duty to retreat in Colorado.

March 13, 2011, 10:21 AM	#11
Musketeer Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2005 Posts: 3,733	Calling these "make my day" laws is really a poor way for us to make our case to the uninformed public. Call it "lawful defense" or another positive phrase. "Make my day" immediately brings vigilante justice to the general public's mind and hurts our position. __________________ "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." Thomas Jefferson "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin

March 13, 2011, 02:47 PM	#12
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I agree. The link says nothing about Dirty Harry or promoting killing folks. Using that terminology is troublesome. You might look for the thread I started about the castle doctrine in TX. I think that Dirty Harry would have been better off staying in his house. Closed. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens