Any reason to buy a case when you reload?

Citadel99 · October 30, 2002, 07:55 PM

Gonna start reloading soon. I have 146 .30-06 Danish surplus rounds right now. Is there any reason for me to buy a case?

Mark

HSMITH · October 30, 2002, 09:22 PM

Sure, to have more ammo and more cases. If you shoot at all the 150 cases will not last very long. Here is the deal when you reload: You figure it is a lot cheaper to shoot so you shoot more, cost is close to the same if not more because you shoot more and spend money on lots of components making the per piece price seem a lot better. Reloading has not saved me a dime, in fact I spend a lot more money. Good side is I shoot more and shoot better. You will NEVER EVER have enough components, buy a case now.

tawakoni · October 30, 2002, 11:39 PM

Citadel, I'm thinking your Danish '06 is Berdan primed. Good to shoot but VERY difficult to reload...

Best,

tawakoni

CITADELGRAD87 · October 31, 2002, 02:14 AM

Nothing to add other than NICE NAME.

voilsb · October 31, 2002, 02:47 AM

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Sure, to have more ammo and more cases. If you shoot at all the 150 cases will not last very long.

that was my thought. you're going to need to replace that brass eventually. as to whether it's berdian or boxer primed; i dunno. never shot the danish stuff.

also, 146 rounds isn't much. i would try to keep 1000 rounds on hand, so you don't have to reload after every session. you can take your time, so that you can forget about it every now and then, and still have plenty of ammo around. also, i tend to lose one or two cases per 3-500 shot, so after a few range sessions, that 146 might turn into 140, etc.

besides, it never hurts to support ammoman

Citadel99 · October 31, 2002, 07:01 AM

Here's the ammo I bought:
Danish 30-06 Ammunition 150 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Ball Berdan Primed Non-Corrosive

So, what's the deal with Berdan primed brass? Would I be better off just buying new brass?

Mark

Sisco · October 31, 2002, 07:18 AM

Yer gonna have to. Berdan cases are not reloadable. Look for Boxer primed cases. Berdan cases have three holes instead of just one in the primer pocket, regular dies cannot decap them (push out the spent primer).

HSMITH · October 31, 2002, 09:09 AM

Oops, did not know the danish was berdan.

Southla1 · October 31, 2002, 09:31 AM

Citadel99, you maight want to check the CMP web site. Sometime back they were selling once fired LC brass. That is boxer primed and IIRC it was like less than $40 to have 450 rounds delivered to my doorstep in a brand new USGI ammo can. Good deal if they still have some.

The rounds were fired in the testing of M-1's prior to being shipped to lucky folks.

Bogie · October 31, 2002, 12:47 PM

If you're careful with it, you can wear out a rifle barrel with 20 pieces of brass.

Fatelvis · October 31, 2002, 06:58 PM

If you buy a case of reloadable brass, you`ll have alot of cases from the same lot. These cases will be very uniform to eachother in case wall thickness, brass elasticity/hardness, and overall case capacity. Your chances of getting good groups just got better over using mixed brass! Its one step towards building accurate handloads. Good shooting!

Citadel99 · October 31, 2002, 07:10 PM

Thanks guys.

Mark

Desert Pete · November 1, 2002, 04:35 PM

Berdan cases can be reloaded. It's just more trouble. You remove the primer with hydraulic pressure. Fill it with water and drive a fitted wooden peg into the case mouth. Primer pops right out, water usually goes on your shirt or in your face. Wife is amused, unless you do it in the house. Reprime as usual with normal primers. I gave up doing this years ago, but it can be done.

Southla1 · November 1, 2002, 05:36 PM

"Reprime as usual with normal primers."

That wont work unless you reprime with berdan primers. The berdan has an anvil in the center of the primer pocket, while with the boxer the primer is intergal with the primer. I do think that some have expiremented with removing the anvil, but even if that is done the diameter of the pocket is slightly different from berdan to boxer.

Best thing to do is buy boxed primed cases and sell the berdan ones for brass scrap.

BushRat · November 2, 2002, 03:07 AM

Let's not forget the crimp on military primers that needs to be removed. Southla1 is right about the difference between berdan and boxer primers. It is a pain to deal with them. Best go with new or once fired cases that are boxer primed. Have fun!

Dave P · November 3, 2002, 08:13 AM

I always try to have a few hundred "factory" rounds on hand for those times you can't reload.

I just shot my new (80) danish in a Garand - accuracy is OK, but I can reload better rounds cheaper.

October 30, 2002, 07:55 PM	#1
Citadel99 Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 83	Any reason to buy a case when you reload? Gonna start reloading soon. I have 146 .30-06 Danish surplus rounds right now. Is there any reason for me to buy a case? Mark

October 31, 2002, 07:18 AM	#7
Sisco Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Location: KS Posts: 1,558	Yer gonna have to. Berdan cases are not reloadable. Look for Boxer primed cases. Berdan cases have three holes instead of just one in the primer pocket, regular dies cannot decap them (push out the spent primer). __________________ "I don't mind it when stupid people say stupid things. Stupid people should be encouraged to say stupid things, that way we always know who the stupid people are." ~ Ted Nugent http://www.awbansunset.com/awcountdown_sm.gif

October 31, 2002, 12:47 PM	#10
Bogie Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: Job hunting on the road... Posts: 3,827	If you're careful with it, you can wear out a rifle barrel with 20 pieces of brass. __________________ Job hunting, but helping a friend out at www.vikingmachineusa.com - and learning the finer aspects of becoming a precision machinist. And making the world's greatest bottle openers!

October 30, 2002, 09:22 PM	#2
HSMITH Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2002 Posts: 2,019	Sure, to have more ammo and more cases. If you shoot at all the 150 cases will not last very long. Here is the deal when you reload: You figure it is a lot cheaper to shoot so you shoot more, cost is close to the same if not more because you shoot more and spend money on lots of components making the per piece price seem a lot better. Reloading has not saved me a dime, in fact I spend a lot more money. Good side is I shoot more and shoot better. You will NEVER EVER have enough components, buy a case now.

October 30, 2002, 11:39 PM	#3
tawakoni Member Join Date: November 22, 2000 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 68	Citadel, I'm thinking your Danish '06 is Berdan primed. Good to shoot but VERY difficult to reload... Best, tawakoni

October 31, 2002, 02:14 AM	#4
CITADELGRAD87 Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2000 Posts: 432	Nothing to add other than NICE NAME.

October 31, 2002, 07:01 AM	#6
Citadel99 Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 83	Here's the ammo I bought: Danish 30-06 Ammunition 150 Grain Full Metal Jacket Boat Tail Ball Berdan Primed Non-Corrosive So, what's the deal with Berdan primed brass? Would I be better off just buying new brass? Mark

October 31, 2002, 09:09 AM	#8
HSMITH Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2002 Posts: 2,019	Oops, did not know the danish was berdan.

October 31, 2002, 09:31 AM	#9
Southla1 Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 19, 2000 Location: Jeanerette, La. Near the Posts: 1,999	Citadel99, you maight want to check the CMP web site. Sometime back they were selling once fired LC brass. That is boxer primed and IIRC it was like less than $40 to have 450 rounds delivered to my doorstep in a brand new USGI ammo can. Good deal if they still have some. The rounds were fired in the testing of M-1's prior to being shipped to lucky folks.

October 31, 2002, 06:58 PM	#11
Fatelvis Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Lockport, IL Posts: 490	If you buy a case of reloadable brass, you`ll have alot of cases from the same lot. These cases will be very uniform to eachother in case wall thickness, brass elasticity/hardness, and overall case capacity. Your chances of getting good groups just got better over using mixed brass! Its one step towards building accurate handloads. Good shooting!

October 31, 2002, 07:10 PM	#12
Citadel99 Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 83	Thanks guys. Mark

November 1, 2002, 04:35 PM	#13
Desert Pete Member Join Date: August 6, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 44	Berdan cases can be reloaded. It's just more trouble. You remove the primer with hydraulic pressure. Fill it with water and drive a fitted wooden peg into the case mouth. Primer pops right out, water usually goes on your shirt or in your face. Wife is amused, unless you do it in the house. Reprime as usual with normal primers. I gave up doing this years ago, but it can be done.

November 1, 2002, 05:36 PM	#14
Southla1 Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 19, 2000 Location: Jeanerette, La. Near the Posts: 1,999	"Reprime as usual with normal primers." That wont work unless you reprime with berdan primers. The berdan has an anvil in the center of the primer pocket, while with the boxer the primer is intergal with the primer. I do think that some have expiremented with removing the anvil, but even if that is done the diameter of the pocket is slightly different from berdan to boxer. Best thing to do is buy boxed primed cases and sell the berdan ones for brass scrap.

November 2, 2002, 03:07 AM	#15
BushRat Member Join Date: October 29, 2002 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Posts: 40	Let's not forget the crimp on military primers that needs to be removed. Southla1 is right about the difference between berdan and boxer primers. It is a pain to deal with them. Best go with new or once fired cases that are boxer primed. Have fun!

November 3, 2002, 08:13 AM	#16
Dave P Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Location: North Florida Posts: 1,346	I always try to have a few hundred "factory" rounds on hand for those times you can't reload. I just shot my new (80) danish in a Garand - accuracy is OK, but I can reload better rounds cheaper.