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Old August 25, 2012, 06:17 AM   #1
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Low grain bullets

I remember seeing these bullets for revolvers at a gun show that had extremely low grains. They were hollow points. They were around the 40-80 grain range. Can't remember who made these, anyone know?
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Old August 25, 2012, 06:35 AM   #2
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What caliber? That is pretty light.
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Old August 25, 2012, 08:06 AM   #3
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It's been over a year, but I've racked my brain and finally remembered. Mag Safe is the company. I plan on buying their .45 Colt rounds for home defense.
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Old August 25, 2012, 08:15 AM   #4
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I think a lot of these rely on super velocities and the performance of a mini shot shell on the target. I have used magsafe and Glaser's as the first shot in my HD guns before assuming first shot reduced penetration but backed up by conventional ammo. I am not completely sold on them as they would need to have super precise placement to be effective.
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Old August 25, 2012, 08:37 AM   #5
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I like it because of the of the less chance of over penetration.
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Old August 25, 2012, 08:47 AM   #6
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RCB's,Not so good = Junk OMO ; )
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Old August 25, 2012, 11:10 AM   #7
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The thing I want to be able to penetrate without question is the aggressor. The last bullet on earth I would trust to do that is an overly light for the caliber bullet designed to come apart quickly.

A search on this forum will bring forth multiple lengthy threads about this very subject as it relates to Glasers and their ilk.
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Old August 25, 2012, 11:37 AM   #8
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Urban environments area are where one would choose these rounds as overpenetration could be a very bad thing. Apartment walls can be quite thin.
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Old August 25, 2012, 11:53 AM   #9
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Can't have everything..............
A projectile that will not penetrate a thin apartment wall, will not penetrate a thin (or thick) bad guy either.
Despite the marketing efforts of several companies the laws of physics are inviolable.
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Old August 25, 2012, 11:59 AM   #10
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Old August 25, 2012, 04:26 PM   #11
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Do some more research on fragmentable ammo before you spend over twenty dollars on 6 or so rounds. It's a gimmick, certainly nothing you should depend on for something like home defense.
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Old August 25, 2012, 06:40 PM   #12
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If you're going to use frangible ammunition (and I'm not recommending that you do), buy Glasers rather than Magsafes. While Glasers will still have underwhelming penetration, Magsafes have been known to suffer from quality control issues that Glasers do not (reports of pierced primers with Magsafe ammo is not as uncommon as they should be).
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Old August 26, 2012, 12:00 AM   #13
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Response to the OP...

The year was 1986; the manufacture was PMC. Result...Failure.

This was right at the time when someone came out with the magical bullet theory book. And a famous gun writer stated, in one of the popular gun magazines of the day, that Taurus revolvers were an excellent value for the money. It pays to keep up on current events.
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Old August 26, 2012, 12:28 AM   #14
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I don't advocate the use of these, but I am aware of criminal negligence and civil liability. Either costs more than a top of the line 1911. Effective SD and public safety requires a fine balance.
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Old August 26, 2012, 07:13 AM   #15
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I like it because of the of the less chance of over penetration.
If there's something behind your intended target that you don't want to destroy, why would you shoot.
ALWAYS know your target and what's behind it.
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I think the idea behind low grain bullets isn't bullets that won't overpenetrate or be stopped by walls. It's bullets that rapidly lose their lethality with distance for less chance of a fatality a block or a mile away.
Their low mass makes for higher than normal muzzle velocity which gives back some of the lethality that they lose from their light weight but after 200 yards or so are down to BB gun velocity due to a big light bullet's ultra low ballistic coeficient.

Here's the downrange velocity of a 000 buckshot round ball, about 65 grains and about 9 mm diameter.

Muzzle 1600 fps
100 yards 837 fps
200 yards 581 fps
300 yards 404 fps
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Old August 27, 2012, 08:42 PM   #17
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My concern isn't missing and shooting through a wall. My concern is shooting, hitting the threat, and the bullet still travel through a wall.
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Old August 28, 2012, 06:57 PM   #18
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How about using a #9 Iron like Tiggerwood's wife did? That worked. No extra bullet penetration concearn there. In fact, I wouldn't concearn myself with extra bullet penetration using any such contact weapon. Even in an apartment.

It's only with those darn remote control weapons that I need to get my priorities straight with.

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