Auto & Burglar copy

Bill DeShivs · August 19, 2015, 07:24 PM

As I may have mentioned, I'm building a legal, registered 20 ga. double barreled pistol.
The factory engraving on the action was really bad, so I tried to camouflage it with my engraving.
This side is finished. When side 2 is done, I'll nickel plate it, have it reassembled, submit the tax forms (and the $200). Once the stamp comes back, I'll cut the barrels to about 10".
It's actually more a copy of the 1969 Holland Arms A/B gun.

Jim Watson · August 19, 2015, 09:46 PM

Looking good.
Did it used to be a Baikal?

Bill DeShivs · August 19, 2015, 09:56 PM

It still is, at this point. Barrels are still 20 inches.

9x19 · August 20, 2015, 08:47 AM

Nicely done.

Skans · August 20, 2015, 12:37 PM

Oh, I can tell I'm going to like this Baikal when you're finished! I have a Baikal 12 gauge that has similar engraving - wish I had the skills to do what you are doing.

samsmix · August 20, 2015, 01:59 PM

Nice. Very nice.

Bill DeShivs · August 20, 2015, 02:27 PM

Thanks!
The engraving is easy. Making that damned pistol grip was hard!

agtman · September 4, 2015, 05:48 PM

Your pistol grip looks great.

But will your finished SBS look something like the 9" 12ga "Mad Max" SBS this Navy Seal dude's packing?

Bill DeShivs · September 4, 2015, 06:25 PM

Sort of. Here is a picture of the gun that is the inspiration for mine.

Willie Lowman · September 4, 2015, 06:29 PM

Bill, is your gun a single trigger or double?

Bill DeShivs · September 5, 2015, 01:49 PM

Double trigger, darn it!

Model12Win · September 5, 2015, 11:26 PM

Does your finger fit behind the triggerguard? Looks tight there...

Bill DeShivs · September 6, 2015, 01:44 AM

The grip is long enough that you don't need to get behind the guard.

**44 AMP** · September 6, 2015, 10:07 AM

What's wrong with a double trigger????

Bill DeShivs · September 6, 2015, 02:18 PM

Nothing at all wrong with a double trigger-unless you are copying a single trigger gun!

**44 AMP** · September 6, 2015, 08:36 PM

ty Bill. Did not realize the Auto Burglar was a single trigger gun. That being the case, it makes perfect sense.

Bill DeShivs · September 6, 2015, 10:51 PM

The Holland Auto Burgar was a single trigger gun. It's the inspiration for my gun.
The original Ithacas were double trigger guns.

Willie Lowman · September 8, 2015, 06:09 PM

I saw an original Ithaca for sale at the KCR shoot back in 07.

I have wanted on ever since.

**Mike Irwin** · September 9, 2015, 05:35 AM

I fired an Ithaca Auto & Burglar gun a number of years ago, low serial number, and chambered for 2.5" shells, which the owner made himself.

Very interesting critter.

Mac Scott, of Scott & McDougal Gunsmithing, was a police officer and once did a stake out with an old timer who carried an A&B, which apparently got a LOT of attention from the bad guys when it was stuck in their faces.

**44 AMP** · September 11, 2015, 11:01 AM

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which apparently got a LOT of attention from the bad guys when it was stuck in their faces.

I can see where it would do that...

My Grandfather told a story about a one armed railroad cop who carried a sawed off, pistol gripped 10ga! worked the rail yards for over 30 years, and said he NEVER had to fire it, which was a good thing, because he only had the one arm left!!

I believe that if it were not for Federal laws a short "sawed off" shotgun like the Auto & Burglar would be a VERY popular home / auto defense gun.

Model12Win · September 11, 2015, 03:33 PM

I'd love an Auto and Burgler for HD work.

With buck, it'd be quite nasty!!!

August 19, 2015, 07:24 PM	#1
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Auto & Burglar copy As I may have mentioned, I'm building a legal, registered 20 ga. double barreled pistol. The factory engraving on the action was really bad, so I tried to camouflage it with my engraving. This side is finished. When side 2 is done, I'll nickel plate it, have it reassembled, submit the tax forms (and the $200). Once the stamp comes back, I'll cut the barrels to about 10". It's actually more a copy of the 1969 Holland Arms A/B gun. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 19, 2015, 09:56 PM	#3
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	It still is, at this point. Barrels are still 20 inches. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 20, 2015, 08:47 AM	#4
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	Nicely done. __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!

August 20, 2015, 01:59 PM	#6
samsmix Senior Member Join Date: June 29, 2006 Location: Montana (Montucky?) Posts: 1,273	Nice. Very nice. __________________ You'll probably never NEED a gun. I hope you never do. But IF you do, you will need it worse than anything you've ever needed in your life. IF we're not supposed to eat animals, howcome God made 'em outta meat?

August 20, 2015, 02:27 PM	#7
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Thanks! The engraving is easy. Making that damned pistol grip was hard! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 19, 2015, 09:46 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,542	Looking good. Did it used to be a Baikal?

August 20, 2015, 12:37 PM	#5
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Oh, I can tell I'm going to like this Baikal when you're finished! I have a Baikal 12 gauge that has similar engraving - wish I had the skills to do what you are doing.

September 4, 2015, 05:48 PM	#8
agtman Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: midwest Posts: 2,374	Your pistol grip looks great. But will your finished SBS look something like the 9" 12ga "Mad Max" SBS this Navy Seal dude's packing?

September 4, 2015, 06:29 PM	#10
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	Bill, is your gun a single trigger or double? __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

September 5, 2015, 01:49 PM	#11
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Double trigger, darn it! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

September 5, 2015, 11:26 PM	#12
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Does your finger fit behind the triggerguard? Looks tight there...

September 6, 2015, 01:44 AM	#13
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	The grip is long enough that you don't need to get behind the guard. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

September 6, 2015, 10:07 AM	#14
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	What's wrong with a double trigger???? __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 6, 2015, 02:18 PM	#15
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Nothing at all wrong with a double trigger-unless you are copying a single trigger gun! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

September 6, 2015, 08:36 PM	#16
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,839	ty Bill. Did not realize the Auto Burglar was a single trigger gun. That being the case, it makes perfect sense. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

September 6, 2015, 10:51 PM	#17
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	The Holland Auto Burgar was a single trigger gun. It's the inspiration for my gun. The original Ithacas were double trigger guns. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

September 8, 2015, 06:09 PM	#18
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	I saw an original Ithaca for sale at the KCR shoot back in 07. I have wanted on ever since. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

September 9, 2015, 05:35 AM	#19
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I fired an Ithaca Auto & Burglar gun a number of years ago, low serial number, and chambered for 2.5" shells, which the owner made himself. Very interesting critter. Mac Scott, of Scott & McDougal Gunsmithing, was a police officer and once did a stake out with an old timer who carried an A&B, which apparently got a LOT of attention from the bad guys when it was stuck in their faces. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

September 11, 2015, 03:33 PM	#21
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	I'd love an Auto and Burgler for HD work. With buck, it'd be quite nasty!!!