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January 21, 2013, 01:48 AM | #1 |
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Assault weapon banned failed in 1997, North Hollywood shootout
I was just thinking and I rememberd. The NHS was in 1997, The AWB was in 1994>2004... That means somehow they had AK'S and their other "big round magazines" during this ban.
I also want to know how did the cops go to the gun shop and get AR's when they were banned at this time.. |
January 21, 2013, 02:03 AM | #2 |
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Well there's still an AWB in California. That's why you'll see CA Compliant version of weapons. Assuming they really did go to the gun shop and get ARs, and that wasn't an urban legend.
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January 21, 2013, 03:35 AM | #3 | |
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I assume you are asking this as a rhetorical question, but I'll answer anyway to vent.
As we know, the 1994 AWB was sloppy since they were not really banning true assault weapons and would then have a clear definition, but some made up collection of features they called assault weapon, such as a bayonet or attachment point, flash hider, new 30 rd mag, etc. So manufactures removed the bayonet lug and flash hider, installed a muzzle brake and called it a Sporter. Models of collapsible stocks (how evil!!) were made into fixed ones to sell after the ban. AKs were further restricted if they had less than 10 parts made in the US, so US parts kits came out.10+ rd mags were grandfathered so all the old USGI mags in surplus came out of the wood work, plus there happened to be cargo containers full of AK mags. I seem to recall AK mags were under $5/ea, maybe $3/ea in bulk, and Ar mags around $10/ea or less before the ban. Huge surplus market. Being CRIMINALS the NHS shooters did not care much for the laws about gun restrictions since they planned to rob a bank and lay down a wall of lead on anyone who tried to stop them. As far as I know NO ONE has ever been able to show that gun bans of any sort reduce violent crime. And apparently in Britain, neither are effective bans on knives, swords, bats, hair pins, pens or pencils, or any other object used for self defense. ans only disarm the law-abiding and enale the criminal or tyrant to have the advantage. Finally, from what I have read of the shootout, the police did in fact go to a local gun shop and get AR-15s but SWAT arrived with their own rifles before the civilian ones were deployed. From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout Quote:
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January 21, 2013, 03:46 AM | #4 |
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Columbine shooting happened under last awb too. We already know that laws don't stop crime. If they did we would have no crime.
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January 21, 2013, 11:09 AM | #7 |
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The gun shop guns were not used in the NHS by officers. They went to get them but didn't use them in the fight. IIRC, it had moved on by then.
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January 21, 2013, 01:35 PM | #9 |
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Fun rebuttal: a decent bolt-action rifle in the right hands could have ended that fight quickly.
The main problem on the ground was that patrolmen were armed with pistols and shotguns. They were logistically unprepared for opponents armed with rifles. Doctrine and loadout have changed since then. North Hollywood really wasn't about "assault" rifles. The bad guys used illegally modified hardware, and the good guys didn't have the right hardware for long-distance confrontations.
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Still they were assault rifles, even if illegally created ones.
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January 22, 2013, 02:59 AM | #11 |
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The real question you should be asking.. why are there no mass shootings in schools, malls, or movie theaters with actual machine guns? The answer is not only surprising, but also a stab against the firearms community. But we can easily cover it up with finger pointing, assumptions, and disbelief.
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January 22, 2013, 04:43 AM | #12 |
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I don't know maybe they know full auto is not effective for hitting a target. I see no connection with this and your supposed indictment of the firearms community from which you separate yourself. Are you saying you don't own firearms or everyone else is to blame but not you?
The closest event to this is perhaps the North Hollywood bank robbery and with the amount of ammo they expended on full auto they did not get a very good hit to rounds fired ratio. Since you support universal background checks maybe you can explain why those have never stopped a mass shooting. |
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Not all full auto guns handle the same way and a little training goes a long way to learning to use them effectively. As for the AWB or NFA failing as indicated by the North Hollywood incident, then every law broken is a failure too? No.
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January 22, 2013, 03:31 PM | #17 |
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Yep - Apom - please clarify your statement. Others - wait for it, wait for it.
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