New TFL Software

RWK · June 9, 2001, 08:30 AM

Rich (and all others who contributed) --

Truly excellent, moving us from perfectly adequate to elegant.

Sincerely, thank you and best regards -- Roy

**Rich Lucibella** · June 9, 2001, 09:32 AM

"Elegant"?

We musta screwed up somewhere!
Rich

Jeff Thomas · June 9, 2001, 10:21 AM

Rich et al, this is absolutely fantastic! Very impressive.

A company I know has been developing their own, proprietary software for a very similar task. As far as I can tell, the only thing that discouraged them about existing forum software was the inability to attach files. Now I see absolutely no reason for them to continue their expensive development.

Bravo, Rich! Thank you.

Regards from AZ

June 9, 2001, 12:04 PM

I like it.

nralife · June 9, 2001, 12:59 PM

Rich,

I like it too! However I think the little arrow icons on the forum index page in with the post titles are a bit much. To me, they seem to clutter up things. I love the rest of the new look. Sorry to throw a wet blanket on your hard work and dedication.

I appreciate everything you do for us!

Joe

http://second-amendment-homepage.com

nralife · June 9, 2001, 01:03 PM

Boy that was fast... as soon as I made my post the arrows changed design. The new ones look much better...

thanks,
Joe

**Rich Lucibella** · June 9, 2001, 01:08 PM

Joe-
Those arrows are clickable...they take you to the most recent post in that Forum. I don't know how useful they are...I never use 'em.
Rich

bamf · June 9, 2001, 02:51 PM

Hey the new version of the vbulletin looks great, interface is definitely improved.

Is it just me, or does this version seem to be slower at loading pages...I also find when I'm trying to load a TFl page and try to look over on another browser window, it freezes up momentarily until the TFL page fully loads. I've experienced this with other boards using the latest vbulletin software.

I know its not just my computer, I tried it on others and get similar results.

**Rich Lucibella** · June 9, 2001, 02:58 PM

I've not had the problem, but it's possible.

I do know that the database work (search word indexing, updating post counts and the like) is faster by about a factor of 10! However, these do minimal passes to the Browser.

Developer discussion forums are located here. I've seen no bug reports regarding speed and these guys are all over this software.

I sense that the post editing takes a bit longer, but I suspect this is because it needs to re-access the Search Index, which in our case is 290 MB! (I set the search to be able to accomodate words as small as 3 letters...this increases the size by 50 percent vs 4 letters and up.)

Rich

nralife · June 9, 2001, 03:02 PM

Rich,

On a couple of the forums that I go to, the uploaded images display right in the post without having to click on a link. Is there any way you could set this forum up like that?

Thanks,
Joe

**Rich Lucibella** · June 9, 2001, 03:05 PM

Joe-
It can be set to auto-display. However, it's a real drag for people with slower modems. We've always prefered that people post links to images rather than embed them.
Rich

C.R.Sam · June 9, 2001, 09:29 PM

I vote against auto display....I'm one of the slo loaders.

M16 · June 10, 2001, 07:14 PM

This new forum is the absolute worst for people with slow loaders. The only benefit is that you can clean a gun while you go from one forum to the next. It's that slow. I'll have to try my laptop tomorrow to see if the speed increases. Unless mine is an isolated case you are going to lose a lot of members unless something can be done about the speed.

**Rich Lucibella** · June 10, 2001, 07:23 PM

Sigh...
Yours is an isolated case. Do a trace route...bet it's your IP.
Rich

HarryB · June 10, 2001, 08:08 PM

I cannot hit faster than 28K on my line due to analog switching. The board seems just fine on my end regarding speed.

Brett Bellmore · June 10, 2001, 09:05 PM

What exactly is the purpose of the little "go" button next to the forum jump selection at the bottom of the page? I noticed that it goes ahead and jumps to the new forum the moment you chose it, without waiting for you to click "go".

Caeca Invidia Es · June 10, 2001, 09:10 PM

Brett, it insures compatibility with older browsers and some text based browsers.

**Mike Irwin** · June 10, 2001, 10:45 PM

Except for the noted problem on my end, this new software is fantastic.

I'm still trying to figure out the proper function for some of the vB code tools, though.

Shotgun · June 11, 2001, 08:26 AM

I too, like the new format. But it does load slow. And I have a cable modem.

Dead · June 11, 2001, 09:27 AM

OH NO!!! I got an error saying I used to may images, and when I clicked "back" my message wasnt there anymore!!! (it was A LONG Message too) I think I only used like 6-7 smiles in it. Oh well I guess

WYO · June 11, 2001, 10:05 AM

When I attempted to view posts today, I am unable to do so using Netscape. I keep getting "communication error (-336)." Can you tell me what the problem is? Thanks, WYO

Caeca Invidia Es · June 11, 2001, 10:42 AM

I was getting that same communications error yesterday during some testing. Ended up reinstalling netscape and it worked fine after that.

June 11, 2001, 04:14 PM

If you are having slow load times, try what I did when I was on dial up:

Open the site that is loading slow for you in one window.
Open another window to do everything else (email, chat, surfing, etc..)
While you wait for your first window to load, utilise the other one.

Ironbarr · June 11, 2001, 11:28 PM

Bells and whistles, whistles and bells.

I'm not one to impede progress - unless it hurts. Now, will someone tell me how to change all this <fontsize="8"> stuff? Nothing changes when I use IE View/Text Size. Looked in Options - No Go. I can't read all these great posts as I did before. Is there a mirror site using the previous software version?

This is not a crank call - just a call for help. Direct me to larger fonts - please.

Andy

**Rich Lucibella** · June 12, 2001, 01:36 AM

IE:
Tools/Internet/General/Accessibility.

Try it and report back.
Rich

June 9, 2001, 08:30 AM	#1
RWK Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 1999 Location: Occupied Virginia Posts: 2,777	New TFL Software Rich (and all others who contributed) -- Truly excellent, moving us from perfectly adequate to elegant. Sincerely, thank you and best regards -- Roy __________________ __________________ Μολών λαβέ!

June 9, 2001, 09:32 AM	#2
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	"Elegant"? We musta screwed up somewhere! Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

June 9, 2001, 10:21 AM	#3
Jeff Thomas Senior Member Join Date: December 9, 1998 Location: Texas Posts: 4,753	Rich et al, this is absolutely fantastic! Very impressive. A company I know has been developing their own, proprietary software for a very similar task. As far as I can tell, the only thing that discouraged them about existing forum software was the inability to attach files. Now I see absolutely no reason for them to continue their expensive development. Bravo, Rich! Thank you. Regards from AZ __________________ I refuse to live in a state which fails to recognize my family's fundamental right of self defense. I refuse to give that state my labor, my taxes, or any other support for such an uncivilized and barbaric policy. In other words ... Texas, Yes ... California, No.

June 9, 2001, 01:03 PM	#6
nralife Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 1999 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 1,235	Boy that was fast... as soon as I made my post the arrows changed design. The new ones look much better... thanks, Joe __________________ Molon labe!

June 9, 2001, 01:08 PM	#7
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Joe- Those arrows are clickable...they take you to the most recent post in that Forum. I don't know how useful they are...I never use 'em. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

June 9, 2001, 12:04 PM	#4
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	I like it.

June 9, 2001, 12:59 PM	#5
nralife Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 1999 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 1,235	Rich, I like it too! However I think the little arrow icons on the forum index page in with the post titles are a bit much. To me, they seem to clutter up things. I love the rest of the new look. Sorry to throw a wet blanket on your hard work and dedication. I appreciate everything you do for us! Joe http://second-amendment-homepage.com

June 9, 2001, 02:51 PM	#8
bamf Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: Davis, CA US Posts: 268	Hey the new version of the vbulletin looks great, interface is definitely improved. Is it just me, or does this version seem to be slower at loading pages...I also find when I'm trying to load a TFl page and try to look over on another browser window, it freezes up momentarily until the TFL page fully loads. I've experienced this with other boards using the latest vbulletin software. I know its not just my computer, I tried it on others and get similar results.

June 9, 2001, 02:58 PM	#9
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	I've not had the problem, but it's possible. I do know that the database work (search word indexing, updating post counts and the like) is faster by about a factor of 10! However, these do minimal passes to the Browser. Developer discussion forums are located here. I've seen no bug reports regarding speed and these guys are all over this software. I sense that the post editing takes a bit longer, but I suspect this is because it needs to re-access the Search Index, which in our case is 290 MB! (I set the search to be able to accomodate words as small as 3 letters...this increases the size by 50 percent vs 4 letters and up.) Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

June 9, 2001, 03:02 PM	#10
nralife Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 1999 Location: The Lone Star State Posts: 1,235	Rich, On a couple of the forums that I go to, the uploaded images display right in the post without having to click on a link. Is there any way you could set this forum up like that? Thanks, Joe

June 9, 2001, 03:05 PM	#11
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Joe- It can be set to auto-display. However, it's a real drag for people with slower modems. We've always prefered that people post links to images rather than embed them. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

June 9, 2001, 09:29 PM	#12
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	I vote against auto display....I'm one of the slo loaders.

June 10, 2001, 07:14 PM	#13
M16 Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 490	This new forum is the absolute worst for people with slow loaders. The only benefit is that you can clean a gun while you go from one forum to the next. It's that slow. I'll have to try my laptop tomorrow to see if the speed increases. Unless mine is an isolated case you are going to lose a lot of members unless something can be done about the speed.

June 10, 2001, 07:23 PM	#14
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	Sigh... Yours is an isolated case. Do a trace route...bet it's your IP. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook

June 10, 2001, 08:08 PM	#15
HarryB Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: Mesa Arizona Posts: 330	I cannot hit faster than 28K on my line due to analog switching. The board seems just fine on my end regarding speed.

June 10, 2001, 09:05 PM	#16
Brett Bellmore Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 1999 Location: Capac, MI, USA Posts: 1,927	What exactly is the purpose of the little "go" button next to the forum jump selection at the bottom of the page? I noticed that it goes ahead and jumps to the new forum the moment you chose it, without waiting for you to click "go". __________________ Sic semper tyrannis!

June 10, 2001, 09:10 PM	#17
Caeca Invidia Es Staff Alumnus Join Date: November 18, 1999 Location: Earth Posts: 834	Brett, it insures compatibility with older browsers and some text based browsers. __________________ MOLON LABE! I don't approve of political jokes, I've seen too many of them get elected.

June 10, 2001, 10:45 PM	#18
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	Except for the noted problem on my end, this new software is fantastic. I'm still trying to figure out the proper function for some of the vB code tools, though. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 11, 2001, 08:26 AM	#19
Shotgun Senior Member Join Date: May 10, 1999 Location: Central Texas Posts: 202	New format I too, like the new format. But it does load slow. And I have a cable modem.

June 11, 2001, 09:27 AM	#20
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	OH NO!!! I got an error saying I used to may images, and when I clicked "back" my message wasnt there anymore!!! (it was A LONG Message too) I think I only used like 6-7 smiles in it. Oh well I guess __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

June 11, 2001, 10:05 AM	#21
WYO Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2001 Posts: 365	When I attempted to view posts today, I am unable to do so using Netscape. I keep getting "communication error (-336)." Can you tell me what the problem is? Thanks, WYO

June 11, 2001, 10:42 AM	#22
Caeca Invidia Es Staff Alumnus Join Date: November 18, 1999 Location: Earth Posts: 834	I was getting that same communications error yesterday during some testing. Ended up reinstalling netscape and it worked fine after that. __________________ MOLON LABE! I don't approve of political jokes, I've seen too many of them get elected.

June 11, 2001, 04:14 PM	#23
PreserveFreedom Guest Posts: n/a	If you are having slow load times, try what I did when I was on dial up: Open the site that is loading slow for you in one window. Open another window to do everything else (email, chat, surfing, etc..) While you wait for your first window to load, utilise the other one.

June 11, 2001, 11:28 PM	#24
Ironbarr Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,188	Old folks - old eyes Bells and whistles, whistles and bells. I'm not one to impede progress - unless it hurts. Now, will someone tell me how to change all this <fontsize="8"> stuff? Nothing changes when I use IE View/Text Size. Looked in Options - No Go. I can't read all these great posts as I did before. Is there a mirror site using the previous software version? This is not a crank call - just a call for help. Direct me to larger fonts - please. Andy __________________ -AndyB FWTV - For Whatever The Value ...When seconds count, most help is just minutes away.

June 12, 2001, 01:36 AM	#25
Rich Lucibella Staff Join Date: October 6, 1998 Location: South Florida Posts: 10,229	IE: Tools/Internet/General/Accessibility. Try it and report back. Rich __________________ S.W.A.T. Magazine Weapons, Training and Tactics for the Real World Join us at TFL or at AR15.com or on Facebook