Remington barrel, Mauser action - ??

Al Thompson · October 24, 2002, 02:21 PM

Friend of mine has a Remington take off barrel in .308. It's varmit weight. He also has a Vz-24 he wants to put this barrel on.

Is it possible? Is it practical?

Jim Watson · October 24, 2002, 03:25 PM

Has he got a lathe?

Remington barrel shank and threads are different from Mauser; 1.05" 16 threads per inch vs 1.10" 12 threads per inch. He would have to cut off the shank of the Remington barrel and turn and thread to fit the Mauser action. Then he would have to rechamber because he would have cut off about half the chamber.

Somebody reported rethreading a Remington barrel to fit one of the Turkish Mausers which has small ring threads, which may have let him save the chamber. Still a pretty good lathe job.

saands · October 24, 2002, 03:53 PM

I have several rifles built on Turk Mauser actions and I used Rem700 take-offs on all of them. As far as difficulty goes, threading isn't the simplest operation on a lathe, but it isn't so difficult that someone with good access to a lathe can't attempt it and be successful. I say "good access" because you will want to practice (and make all your mistakes!) on some round steel stock before you chuck your barrel and go for it. One thing that you learn about threading is that you are 100% committed once you start to cut metal!

The nice thing about the Rem700 threads is that the minor diameter is just a hair larger than the major diameter of the threads on a small ring barrel.

You will still need to get a chamber reamer to finish the chamber, because the Rem700 extractor goes into a notch that is cut in the Rem700 barrel ... this means that even with the 1938 Turk action you still end up removing some of the chamber ... but not nearly as much as you would with the VZ-24.

I asked a BUNCH of questions about this project here and got a TON of help. This group is a great resource!

Saands

Al Thompson · October 24, 2002, 05:18 PM

My thought was that he could do the project if he cut the chamber end and rethreaded as well as cut the notch for the extractor.

I suspect he'll get a gunsmith to do this - probably cheaper in the longrun.

Anybody know anybody in the SE that can do this?

saands · October 24, 2002, 05:34 PM

Uhhh ... I haven't done a large ring conversion, but I don't recall the need to cut any extractor notches.

Saands

Clemson · October 25, 2002, 08:52 AM

Mausers don't have extractor notches. One issue with take-off barrels is that you have to index the barrel to the proper orientation for sights and inscriptions to be vertical. It might be more cost effective to buy a threaded and short-chambered new barrel from Midway or Brownells.

saands · October 25, 2002, 12:08 PM

Quote:

One issue with take-off barrels is that you have to index the barrel to the proper orientation for sights and inscriptions to be vertical.

True ... but only if you are using a take-off with sights

While indexing sights is a true challenge, it is much easier to index a barrel so that you can still read the caliber stamp

Al Thompson · October 25, 2002, 12:31 PM

Ya know, you can learn something new everyday. Mausers don't have extractor notches! Winchester M70s do - I assumed them to be the same! Shame on me!

No sights on the barrel, so only issue would be the lettering.

Clemson, know anybody in state you'd recommend?

Clemson · October 25, 2002, 03:14 PM

Al, the guy I used to use was in Greenwood, but he is no longer in business. I do my own barrel work now. What you want to do is uncomplicated, so any gunsmith who does rifle work should be able to handle it.

Al Thompson · October 25, 2002, 04:43 PM

Interesting.. I used to get some stuff done in Greenwood too. Can't remember the name of the shop, but the guy I spoke with when I visited was "Pat". I see him at gunshows hanging out with the pawnshop crowd from Taylors.

Columbia has a dirth of gunsmiths. We're going to try Al Clark down in Summerville.

DCR · October 25, 2002, 05:36 PM

My Dad has mounted some Winchester barrels on Mauser actions; called them "Mauchesters." What's this to be called - a "Mausington?"

October 24, 2002, 02:21 PM	#1
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Remington barrel, Mauser action - ?? Friend of mine has a Remington take off barrel in .308. It's varmit weight. He also has a Vz-24 he wants to put this barrel on. Is it possible? Is it practical? __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 24, 2002, 05:18 PM	#4
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Thanks guys! My thought was that he could do the project if he cut the chamber end and rethreaded as well as cut the notch for the extractor. I suspect he'll get a gunsmith to do this - probably cheaper in the longrun. Anybody know anybody in the SE that can do this? __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 25, 2002, 08:52 AM	#6
Clemson Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2001 Location: Greenwood, SC Posts: 875	Mausers don't have extractor notches. One issue with take-off barrels is that you have to index the barrel to the proper orientation for sights and inscriptions to be vertical. It might be more cost effective to buy a threaded and short-chambered new barrel from Midway or Brownells. __________________ NRA Endowment Member, NRA Certified Instructor CWP Holder US Army veteran Gunsmith www.boltandbarrel.com

October 25, 2002, 12:31 PM	#8
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Ya know, you can learn something new everyday. Mausers don't have extractor notches! Winchester M70s do - I assumed them to be the same! Shame on me! No sights on the barrel, so only issue would be the lettering. Clemson, know anybody in state you'd recommend? __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 25, 2002, 03:14 PM	#9
Clemson Senior Member Join Date: March 9, 2001 Location: Greenwood, SC Posts: 875	Al, the guy I used to use was in Greenwood, but he is no longer in business. I do my own barrel work now. What you want to do is uncomplicated, so any gunsmith who does rifle work should be able to handle it. __________________ NRA Endowment Member, NRA Certified Instructor CWP Holder US Army veteran Gunsmith www.boltandbarrel.com

October 24, 2002, 03:25 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Has he got a lathe? Remington barrel shank and threads are different from Mauser; 1.05" 16 threads per inch vs 1.10" 12 threads per inch. He would have to cut off the shank of the Remington barrel and turn and thread to fit the Mauser action. Then he would have to rechamber because he would have cut off about half the chamber. Somebody reported rethreading a Remington barrel to fit one of the Turkish Mausers which has small ring threads, which may have let him save the chamber. Still a pretty good lathe job.

October 24, 2002, 03:53 PM	#3
saands Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 1999 Posts: 1,573	I have several rifles built on Turk Mauser actions and I used Rem700 take-offs on all of them. As far as difficulty goes, threading isn't the simplest operation on a lathe, but it isn't so difficult that someone with good access to a lathe can't attempt it and be successful. I say "good access" because you will want to practice (and make all your mistakes!) on some round steel stock before you chuck your barrel and go for it. One thing that you learn about threading is that you are 100% committed once you start to cut metal! The nice thing about the Rem700 threads is that the minor diameter is just a hair larger than the major diameter of the threads on a small ring barrel. You will still need to get a chamber reamer to finish the chamber, because the Rem700 extractor goes into a notch that is cut in the Rem700 barrel ... this means that even with the 1938 Turk action you still end up removing some of the chamber ... but not nearly as much as you would with the VZ-24. I asked a BUNCH of questions about this project here and got a TON of help. This group is a great resource! Saands

October 24, 2002, 05:34 PM	#5
saands Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 1999 Posts: 1,573	Uhhh ... I haven't done a large ring conversion, but I don't recall the need to cut any extractor notches. Saands

October 25, 2002, 04:43 PM	#10
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	Interesting.. I used to get some stuff done in Greenwood too. Can't remember the name of the shop, but the guy I spoke with when I visited was "Pat". I see him at gunshows hanging out with the pawnshop crowd from Taylors. Columbia has a dirth of gunsmiths. We're going to try Al Clark down in Summerville. __________________ http://www.scfirearms.org/

October 25, 2002, 05:36 PM	#11
DCR Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 1999 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 178	My Dad has mounted some Winchester barrels on Mauser actions; called them "Mauchesters." What's this to be called - a "Mausington?" __________________ I drink, therefore I am.