Which do you use?

keithdog · July 24, 2014, 10:07 PM

Which site image do you use when shooting at the range with your pistol if it has a 3 dot system? I have always shot site image #3, but I have recently read in another forum that site image #2 is preferred, because image #3 partially obstructs your target. What's your opinion?

MarkCO · July 24, 2014, 10:31 PM

I use #2, until I take them off. Still with a flat black rear and a Tritium, black blade or fiber optic front, I still use sight image #2.

jeager106 · July 24, 2014, 11:20 PM

For handgun hunting/target work I like #2, for defensive work #1 as I can see the important parts right above the sights.
I'm guessing you are practicing for defensive handgun purposes?

**JohnKSa** · July 25, 2014, 12:02 AM

Where the bullet lands, relative to the sights, is dependent on the range. Sight image 3 works for close ranges because the bore is lower than the sights and at close ranges the bullet will impact below the top of the front sight.

At medium ranges, the bullet will rise to the level of the sights because the bore is angled slightly upward with respect to the sights. Sight image 2 works at those ranges.

At longer ranges, depending on how the gun is sighted, you'll likely have to switch to sight image 1 to make accurate hits.

Here's a more thorough discussion of the topic.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503476

armsmaster270 · July 25, 2014, 02:46 AM

Image 2 works for me, when I sight.

keithdog · July 25, 2014, 06:10 AM

Yes jeager, my practice is for defensive purposes. Short to medium distances.

jeager106 · July 25, 2014, 08:23 PM

Quote:
Yes jeager, my practice is for defensive purposes. Short to medium distances.

In that case "range" is irrelevant which is why I use #1 for defensive work.
#1 is also called the 6 o'clock hold.
Range (distance) in a self defense scereo is going to be very close, most likely under 7 yards. In police work we practiced all the way back to 50 yards which is really rifle distance but a cool headed marksman can make a 50 yard shot with
certainty.
Indeed I practiced from the prone at 100 yds with my duty 45-06 scoring
K5 hits with all 8 rounds often.
Bear in mind I was also the deadly force training officer so practiced a bunch with ammo I didn't have to pay for.

Willie Lowman · July 26, 2014, 07:43 AM

It depends what gun I am shooting and what kind of shooting I am doing.

My carry guns, Glock 23 and 26, I use the #2 sight picture.

With my P226 I use the #1 image because it shoots very high.

Sometimes I like to try shooting my 1911 at long range and use the #3 image

g.willikers · July 26, 2014, 08:20 AM

I prefer #2, also, but sometimes there's no choice.
Wherever the gun decides.
I had one that required the front sight to be lined up down inside the rear, about half way in order to hit dead center.
Fixed sights with oddball ammo.
Kind of weird, but sooo accurate.

Jim243 · July 28, 2014, 10:10 AM

Pistol #2 for revolver #3.

Jim

Tucker 1371 · July 30, 2014, 06:41 PM

I use #2, for any iron sighted firearm. Actually I didn't know until I read this that people did it other ways. One more reason to love TFL, I think I learn something new every time I log in.

FrankenMauser · July 30, 2014, 06:44 PM

Generally, #2.

pete2 · July 30, 2014, 08:14 PM

I use 1 or 2, 3 totally hides small targets. I had never seen #3 until recently, can't believe anyone would use it.

P5 Guy · July 31, 2014, 03:48 PM

Rifle #1 Handgun #2

Model12Win · August 1, 2014, 08:42 PM

Both sight image numero dose.

kraigwy · August 3, 2014, 10:19 AM

Number 1

darkgael · August 5, 2014, 12:46 PM

#1.
Pete

xssv · August 22, 2014, 12:05 AM

2 on everything. Feels wierd trying something else.

mete · August 24, 2014, 02:35 PM

It is never a good idea to cover the target with the sights !! I use a two inch bullseye setting on top of the front sight for sighting in , for rifle or pistol.

Nick_C_S · August 28, 2014, 11:27 PM

Used to do #1; then evolved to #2; and now, my IDPA revolver is even set at #3. I guess it's a bit like Jim243 in post #10.

Signal-0 · August 30, 2014, 06:22 PM

#2

**4V50 Gary** · September 15, 2014, 10:27 PM

#2 for me.

tahunua001 · September 19, 2014, 10:17 AM

it depends on how my gun is sighted, what range I'm at and what the target is.
with old military rifles on large black ring targets I use the 6 hold.

with pistols I use the center hold.

with pistols that notoriously hit low and at longer ranges, I use the center dot hold.

Mosin-Marauder · September 19, 2014, 01:24 PM

I know this is a bit off topic, but I use 6 o'clock hold with all iron sighted rifles. Offers greater repeatability and you can see your target better.

mavracer · September 19, 2014, 02:33 PM

doesn't really matter weather it has 3 dots or not I basicly do a variation of #3 at 7 yards then I want to do #1 at 15 to 25 yards and then #2 will be pretty close at 50 yards although with a few of my fixed sight guns I have to do #2 at 15-25 and for the most part am ok with that for fixed sight carry guns.

July 25, 2014, 12:02 AM	#4
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,986	Where the bullet lands, relative to the sights, is dependent on the range. Sight image 3 works for close ranges because the bore is lower than the sights and at close ranges the bullet will impact below the top of the front sight. At medium ranges, the bullet will rise to the level of the sights because the bore is angled slightly upward with respect to the sights. Sight image 2 works at those ranges. At longer ranges, depending on how the gun is sighted, you'll likely have to switch to sight image 1 to make accurate hits. Here's a more thorough discussion of the topic. http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503476 __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

July 25, 2014, 02:46 AM	#5
armsmaster270 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,951	Image 2 works for me, when I sight. __________________ http://www.armsmaster.net-a.googlepages.com http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/f...aster270/Guns/ Retired LE, M.P., Sr. M.P. Investigator F.B.I. Trained Rangemaster/Firearms Instructor & Armorer, Presently Forensic Document Examiner for D.H.S.

July 25, 2014, 06:10 AM	#6
keithdog Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2013 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 321	Yes jeager, my practice is for defensive purposes. Short to medium distances. __________________ In MY house, I AM 911

July 26, 2014, 08:20 AM	#9
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	I prefer #2, also, but sometimes there's no choice. Wherever the gun decides. I had one that required the front sight to be lined up down inside the rear, about half way in order to hit dead center. Fixed sights with oddball ammo. Kind of weird, but sooo accurate. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

July 30, 2014, 06:41 PM	#11
Tucker 1371 Senior Member Join Date: December 29, 2008 Location: East TN Posts: 2,649	I use #2, for any iron sighted firearm. Actually I didn't know until I read this that people did it other ways. One more reason to love TFL, I think I learn something new every time I log in. __________________ Sgt. of Marines, 5th Award Expert Rifle, 237/250 Expert Pistol, 382/400. D Co, 4th CEB, Engineers UP!! If you start a thread, be active in it. Don't leave us hanging. OEF 2011 Sangin, Afg. Molon Labe

July 24, 2014, 10:31 PM	#2
MarkCO Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1998 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 4,308	I use #2, until I take them off. Still with a flat black rear and a Tritium, black blade or fiber optic front, I still use sight image #2. __________________ Good Shooting, MarkCO www.CarbonArms.us

July 24, 2014, 11:20 PM	#3
jeager106 Junior member Join Date: November 24, 2006 Location: N.E. Oh. Posts: 527	For handgun hunting/target work I like #2, for defensive work #1 as I can see the important parts right above the sights. I'm guessing you are practicing for defensive handgun purposes?

July 25, 2014, 08:23 PM	#7
jeager106 Junior member Join Date: November 24, 2006 Location: N.E. Oh. Posts: 527	Quote: Yes jeager, my practice is for defensive purposes. Short to medium distances. In that case "range" is irrelevant which is why I use #1 for defensive work. #1 is also called the 6 o'clock hold. Range (distance) in a self defense scereo is going to be very close, most likely under 7 yards. In police work we practiced all the way back to 50 yards which is really rifle distance but a cool headed marksman can make a 50 yard shot with certainty. Indeed I practiced from the prone at 100 yds with my duty 45-06 scoring K5 hits with all 8 rounds often. Bear in mind I was also the deadly force training officer so practiced a bunch with ammo I didn't have to pay for.

July 26, 2014, 07:43 AM	#8
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	It depends what gun I am shooting and what kind of shooting I am doing. My carry guns, Glock 23 and 26, I use the #2 sight picture. With my P226 I use the #1 image because it shoots very high. Sometimes I like to try shooting my 1911 at long range and use the #3 image

July 28, 2014, 10:10 AM	#10
Jim243 Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2009 Location: Just off Route 66 Posts: 5,067	Pistol #2 for revolver #3. Jim __________________ Si vis pacem, para bellum

July 30, 2014, 06:44 PM	#12
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Generally, #2. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

July 30, 2014, 08:14 PM	#13
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	I use 1 or 2, 3 totally hides small targets. I had never seen #3 until recently, can't believe anyone would use it.

July 31, 2014, 03:48 PM	#14
P5 Guy Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 1,804	Rifle #1 Handgun #2

August 1, 2014, 08:42 PM	#15
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	Both sight image numero dose.

August 3, 2014, 10:19 AM	#16
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	Number 1 __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

August 5, 2014, 12:46 PM	#17
darkgael Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2006 Location: Homes in Brooklyn, NY and in Pennsylvania. Posts: 5,473	sight #1. Pete __________________ “Auto racing, bull fighting, and mountain climbing are the only real sports ... all others are games.” Ernest Hemingway ... NRA Life Member

August 22, 2014, 12:05 AM	#18
xssv Member Join Date: August 19, 2014 Posts: 25	2 on everything. Feels wierd trying something else.

August 24, 2014, 02:35 PM	#19
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	It is never a good idea to cover the target with the sights !! I use a two inch bullseye setting on top of the front sight for sighting in , for rifle or pistol. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 28, 2014, 11:27 PM	#20
Nick_C_S Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2013 Location: Idaho Posts: 5,523	Used to do #1; then evolved to #2; and now, my IDPA revolver is even set at #3. I guess it's a bit like Jim243 in post #10. __________________ Gun control laws benefit only criminals and politicians - but then, I repeat myself. Life Member, National Rifle Association

August 30, 2014, 06:22 PM	#21
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September 15, 2014, 10:27 PM	#22
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	#2 for me. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

September 19, 2014, 10:17 AM	#23
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	it depends on how my gun is sighted, what range I'm at and what the target is. with old military rifles on large black ring targets I use the 6 hold. with pistols I use the center hold. with pistols that notoriously hit low and at longer ranges, I use the center dot hold. __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

September 19, 2014, 01:24 PM	#24
Mosin-Marauder Senior Member Join Date: April 18, 2014 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,320	I know this is a bit off topic, but I use 6 o'clock hold with all iron sighted rifles. Offers greater repeatability and you can see your target better. __________________ Proud owner of three (four-ish) pieces of history! K-31, Mosin-Nagant M91/30, M24/47 Mauser, Norinco SKS. "You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm..." William Tecumseh Sherman