need help identifying this antique hand gun

buckthyshape · June 18, 2015, 05:22 PM

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hi i really need help identifying this antique pistol, there are no marks or etchings of a serial number on the gun what so ever, the gun trigger is broken and the rest is made of solid brass and wood and that is all the information i have
any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

peggysue · June 18, 2015, 05:51 PM

wow...a blunderbuss pistol... history is needed

Snyper · June 18, 2015, 06:04 PM

I suspect it's a replica kit gun rather than a real antique

l.cutler · June 18, 2015, 06:48 PM

Looks like a non firing decorator piece.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 18, 2015, 07:31 PM

If it is a real firearm, it dates to a time when individual gunsmiths made individual guns for customers. There were no large companies with assembly lines, such as Kimber and Smith & Wesson. Every firearm was one of a kind.

I don't think you'll ever find out who made that piece.

Ozzieman · June 18, 2015, 07:44 PM

I suspect it's a replica kit gun rather than a real antique
I agree, the screws holding the trigger guard look to be of recent manufacture.
The charging rod looks machined.
And the wear on the wood looks wrong.
But then again the photos are small and I ant no expert

Slamfire · June 18, 2015, 07:48 PM

Looks like a replica to me. The stock dimensions are off, clunky and crude. Not enough detail to examine the lock.

James K · June 18, 2015, 08:16 PM

The pictures are too dark for any real assessment, but I agree that it appears to be a reproduction or dummy of some kind, maybe a "kit gun" or a decorator piece. To answer an unasked question, the value is nominal, maybe $20 or so as a novelty.

Jim

buckthyshape · June 18, 2015, 08:51 PM

well i sold it for $50 and i was wondering if it might be worth more and if i should ship it

James K · June 18, 2015, 09:46 PM

If you sold it, you should ship it. The sale price is not out of line, and you have an obligation to see the customer gets what he paid for. Now if you had said you sold it for ten grand, I might have different thoughts, but as it is, I would ship it and not worry about it.

Jim

DaleA · June 18, 2015, 10:36 PM

I suspect someone bought it just to make the Taurus Judge fanboys jealous.

**Mike Irwin** · June 19, 2015, 04:53 AM

You agreed to sell it (essentially you've entered into a binding contract) and NOW you're wondering if it's worth more than what you sold it for?

Your have your steps reversed.

**Aguila Blanca** · June 19, 2015, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Irwin

You agreed to sell it (essentially you've entered into a binding contract) and NOW you're wondering if it's worth more than what you sold it for?

Your have your steps reversed.

I agree with Mike. The time to wonder about the value was before you offered it for sale. If you "sold" it, as you wrote, that means you entered into a contract. Trying to change your mind after you agreed to sell it for $xx is certainly morally wrong, and probably legally wrong as well.

buckthyshape · June 19, 2015, 08:57 AM

thanks for everyones opinion, i have shipped the item to the seller case closed

Deaf Smith · June 21, 2015, 10:33 PM

The pistol in question was called a 'blind man's dueling pistol'.

Instead of ten paces they used five as the walking distance.

A rope was used for guidance and spectators usually hid behind the trees.

Deaf

Skans · June 22, 2015, 03:21 PM

Replica or not, more than $50 worth of work went into the gun. I'd say whoever got it for $50 got a great deal.

**Mike Irwin** · June 23, 2015, 08:28 AM

The amount of labor and material that goes into making something doesn't always equal its actual value.

Home renovations are a good example of that.

Skans · June 23, 2015, 08:43 AM

Mike, you may be right, but would you buy that gun for $50? I think I would. Especially if it really works - could be fun!

RJay · June 23, 2015, 11:17 AM

I don't think it works, at least not in that condition, broken trigger.

Snyper · June 23, 2015, 04:41 PM

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Replica or not, more than $50 worth of work went into the gun. I'd say whoever got it for $50 got a great deal.

It was likely made in India by someone who lives on $50 a year
It (if it really could be) wouldn't be safe to shoot

Mike Weber · June 23, 2015, 04:43 PM

Its a nonfiring replica.

Jbar4Ranch · July 3, 2015, 12:04 PM

Here is an identical one on gunbroker starting at $300 or Buy It Now for $650.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=492720508

Auto5 · July 4, 2015, 09:23 AM

It looks very much like a non-firing replica I bought down in Florida in the 1970's. Are there any markings at all on it?

June 18, 2015, 05:22 PM	#1
buckthyshape Junior Member Join Date: June 18, 2015 Posts: 3	need help identifying this antique hand gun il_570xN.784764479_me4b.jpg il_570xN.785058836_5x70.jpg il_570xN.785058846_r1ql.jpg hi i really need help identifying this antique pistol, there are no marks or etchings of a serial number on the gun what so ever, the gun trigger is broken and the rest is made of solid brass and wood and that is all the information i have any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance!

June 18, 2015, 06:04 PM	#3
Snyper Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2013 Location: Eastern NC Posts: 3,047	I suspect it's a replica kit gun rather than a real antique __________________ One shot, one kill

June 18, 2015, 07:44 PM	#6
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	I suspect it's a replica kit gun rather than a real antique I agree, the screws holding the trigger guard look to be of recent manufacture. The charging rod looks machined. And the wear on the wood looks wrong. But then again the photos are small and I ant no expert __________________ It was a sad day when I discovered my universal remote control did not in fact control the universe. Did you hear about the latest study.....5 out of 6 liberals say that Russian Roulette is safe.

June 18, 2015, 07:48 PM	#7
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	Looks like a replica to me. The stock dimensions are off, clunky and crude. Not enough detail to examine the lock. __________________ If I'm not shooting, I'm reloading.

June 19, 2015, 04:53 AM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	You agreed to sell it (essentially you've entered into a binding contract) and NOW you're wondering if it's worth more than what you sold it for? Your have your steps reversed. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 18, 2015, 05:51 PM	#2
peggysue Junior member Join Date: May 20, 2014 Posts: 1,835	wow...a blunderbuss pistol... history is needed

June 18, 2015, 06:48 PM	#4
l.cutler Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2005 Posts: 275	Looks like a non firing decorator piece.

June 18, 2015, 07:31 PM	#5
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,468	If it is a real firearm, it dates to a time when individual gunsmiths made individual guns for customers. There were no large companies with assembly lines, such as Kimber and Smith & Wesson. Every firearm was one of a kind. I don't think you'll ever find out who made that piece.

June 18, 2015, 08:16 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The pictures are too dark for any real assessment, but I agree that it appears to be a reproduction or dummy of some kind, maybe a "kit gun" or a decorator piece. To answer an unasked question, the value is nominal, maybe $20 or so as a novelty. Jim

June 18, 2015, 08:51 PM	#9
buckthyshape Junior Member Join Date: June 18, 2015 Posts: 3	well i sold it for $50 and i was wondering if it might be worth more and if i should ship it

June 18, 2015, 09:46 PM	#10
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	If you sold it, you should ship it. The sale price is not out of line, and you have an obligation to see the customer gets what he paid for. Now if you had said you sold it for ten grand, I might have different thoughts, but as it is, I would ship it and not worry about it. Jim

June 18, 2015, 10:36 PM	#11
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,313	I suspect someone bought it just to make the Taurus Judge fanboys jealous.

June 19, 2015, 08:57 AM	#14
buckthyshape Junior Member Join Date: June 18, 2015 Posts: 3	thanks for everyones opinion, i have shipped the item to the seller case closed

June 21, 2015, 10:33 PM	#15
Deaf Smith Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2000 Location: Texican! Posts: 4,453	The pistol in question was called a 'blind man's dueling pistol'. Instead of ten paces they used five as the walking distance. A rope was used for guidance and spectators usually hid behind the trees. Deaf __________________ “To you who call yourselves ‘men of peace,’ I say, you are not safe without men of action by your side” Thucydides

June 22, 2015, 03:21 PM	#16
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Replica or not, more than $50 worth of work went into the gun. I'd say whoever got it for $50 got a great deal.

June 23, 2015, 08:28 AM	#17
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	The amount of labor and material that goes into making something doesn't always equal its actual value. Home renovations are a good example of that. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

June 23, 2015, 08:43 AM	#18
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Mike, you may be right, but would you buy that gun for $50? I think I would. Especially if it really works - could be fun!

June 23, 2015, 11:17 AM	#19
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	I don't think it works, at least not in that condition, broken trigger. __________________ Ron James

June 23, 2015, 04:43 PM	#21
Mike Weber Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2002 Location: Northern California Posts: 238	Its a nonfiring replica. __________________ M. Weber "Molon labe" http://shootersfreehold.com/ A place for firearms enthusiasts to congregate.

July 3, 2015, 12:04 PM	#22
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,719	Here is an identical one on gunbroker starting at $300 or Buy It Now for $650. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=492720508 __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015

July 4, 2015, 09:23 AM	#23
Auto5 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 662	It looks very much like a non-firing replica I bought down in Florida in the 1970's. Are there any markings at all on it? __________________ At the young age of five, a bear told me that I was the only person who could prevent forest fires. Why I was chosen, I'll never know.