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May 24, 2015, 07:26 AM | #1 |
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Wrong person to carjack
Car jacking victim turns the tables on carjacker, holding him at gunpoint until the police arrive
http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/man-h...-until/vDShbr/
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May 24, 2015, 09:31 AM | #2 |
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"There is no walking away. Walking away was before you got in my car. You must have woke up stupid this morning."
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Excellent !!!
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May 24, 2015, 12:02 PM | #4 |
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What would be the options if the car-jacker just got up and walked away?
You can't shoot a guy with his back to you, no matter what he's done before, right? |
May 24, 2015, 12:23 PM | #5 |
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I think you are right, if he walked away without appearing to make any threatening moves (additional threatening moves, subsequent to your repelling his initial attack), I think you would have to let him walk.
Interested to read what other people, who know more about the law than I do, have to say about it. And in the end, what better outcome than: it is over and he walks away? You didn't have to shoot, didn't have to prove self-defense, didn't have your pistol taken as evidence, don't have to wonder "what if?" or "was it really necessary?". ...and maybe, instead for carjacking the next person and maybe hurting or killing them, the guy will become less stupid and change his ways. Not holding my breath, just thinkin'. |
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May 24, 2015, 02:07 PM | #7 |
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The guy stayed on the ground because "he woke up stupid". Really, the bad guy was obviously not the brightest bulb on the tree. Probably didn't want to test the car owner physically either.
You're right that if he got up & ran the smart move would be to let him go. He looked like a prime candidate for Darwinian elimination from the gene pool pretty soon anyway. |
May 24, 2015, 03:44 PM | #8 |
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Understood about not using deadly force, but if you use any force at all to detain him, it seems like that is some kind of "citizens arrest" - about which I know nothing except people use the phrase sometimes.
If he has ceased attacking, how much physical force, and and on what grounds, can one use to detain him for the cops? |
May 24, 2015, 07:08 PM | #9 |
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That's a great story and best possible outcome, but it is certainly grey area in terms of what the guy was legally allowed to do. In my state there is no such thing as citizens arrest so I suspect what he did would not have been completely lawful. Also seems unlikely he would be prosecuted for it either but depends on what lawyer groups might want to get involved.
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May 25, 2015, 02:13 PM | #10 |
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There are at least four very good reasons to not attempt to detain anyone at gunpoint:
And there are more. Not for me, thanks. |
May 25, 2015, 02:34 PM | #11 |
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My dad was coming home from work late one night in downtown Ft Worth. While he was stopped at a red-light, a young guy ran up, hit his vehicle with a baseball bat and proceeded to open the driver door. As he did, he came nose to nose with my dad's .380. He didn't try to detain him or wait on the police, instead he had the hoodlum empty his pockets and took his $40 as compensation for damages to his van (it was just a work van anyway). That has always seemed pretty fair to me. Might've taught the bad guy a lesson, no danger of his buddies coming up and helping while waiting for police, etc. Don't think you could call that robbery either since it was just compensating for damages. Sure do love to hear him retell that story!
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May 25, 2015, 02:37 PM | #12 |
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OldMarksman, everything you posted is true.
I wish it weren't. It rankles me that if I see (or am victim of) a crime, the development of social norms, of case law and of written law over time has given the advantage of the righteous over to the criminal. NEW SUBJECT: Given the recent reports of police shooting unarmed black people, this story is a rather remarkable good outcome. Not so much remarkable for its outcome, but remarkable that it has not hit the national media. You know, "60 Minutes" and "20 Minutes" (the show that did the hatchet-job story "IfI Only Had a Gun" a few years ago). NEW SUBJECT: I did exactly the same thing last year, without the "You know what this is" remark. I hopped in the passenger seat of a stranger's car. A friend an I were at a supermarket and I hopped in what I thought was his car and Lo! and Behold!. Wrong car. The owner and I had a pleasant enough conversation that lasted about 5 words and I apologized and left. Lost Sheep (and I didn't get that moniker for nothing, obviously) |
May 25, 2015, 02:43 PM | #13 |
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re: post 11
Rbrt3474, it is a good story. Great homily and moral lesson.
The truth of the matter is that any time you have to pull a weapon to protect yourself you are well advised to call the police. It is often the first to call who gets the assumption of innocence. Also, the more a given miscreant is reported as behaving badly, the more likely it is he will be turned over to our corrections system for correction. Consider: If a passerby who did not witness the initial assault were to see the latter half of the incident and call the police, your Dad my have been defending himself against charges of armed robbery. Hopefully the physical evidence would have cleared him. Lost Sheep p.s. also see the first paragraph of my post #12, which I was composing as you posted yours. |
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May 25, 2015, 03:39 PM | #15 |
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I couldn't tell--did the guy who jumped into the car threaten with a weapon or actually assault?
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May 25, 2015, 03:55 PM | #16 |
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I'll offer two suggestions:
There is still a risk, of course, of being ambushed by an accomplice. |
May 25, 2015, 04:37 PM | #17 |
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As a tactical point about this (and other) cases, I feel obliged to point out the importance of keeping your vehicle doors locked at all times. Unlock as you are in immediate proximity to the car, then immediately lock once you are inside.
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May 25, 2015, 04:54 PM | #18 | |
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Can one disable the automatic unlock feature?
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The incident happened after the doors all automatically unlocked when the vehicle transmission was put into park. My car, when using the remote unlock feature unlocks only the driver's door (it takes a second action of the transmitter to unlock the other doors). Lost Sheep Last edited by Lost Sheep; May 25, 2015 at 06:22 PM. Reason: correct type, "to difference" becomes "no difference" |
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May 25, 2015, 05:31 PM | #19 |
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I think I could program the unlock situation, on delivery, my Jeep just unlocks drivers door, swing legs out, push lock button when door opens, slam, and go.
All the time same moves, if I am with my Wife, same, only I walk around to her door, she pops her lock, I hold her hand, pop button closed, off we go. What? Too much the Gentleman for this day and age? I grew that way. |
May 26, 2015, 08:44 AM | #20 |
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My first thoughts were similar: Do I want to reprogram my car so that the doors don't unlock when the car is placed in park? There are situations in which you want to sit still for a time without unlocking the doors, and I have up until now just put it in park and immediately hit the lock button, but that gives a second or so of vulnerability.
In response to some of the earlier posts: The important thing is not whether the other guy is facing towards you or whether he is obeying your instructions, or whether he may pose a threat to someone at a later time (as sometimes comes up in these discussions), but whether he poses an immediate threat to you and/or other innocents. |
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May 26, 2015, 09:43 AM | #22 |
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2nd request for info--did the video/post indicate the car jacker had a weapon brought to bare or actually assaulted the driver??
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May 26, 2015, 11:07 AM | #23 | |
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I don't know if I would have responded the same way. I probably would have drawn my gun, since it is reasonable, IMO, to assume that a car jacker is going to be armed, but holding him at gunpoint? Seems to me like stepping above my pay grade. Get him out of the car, lock the doors, get out of the situation and call the cops so they can do their job. I certainly would not have stood there spouting one liners for the camera.
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This rises to the level of property trespass--maybe--and that's about it. A few states might recognize this as the equivalent of breaking into and entering a home. I'm not going to second-guess what the gun-bearer did--but in my view was very very risky given the tenuous nature of proving clear and imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.
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