Good Friend Got Into A Gun Fight - Page 2

akguy1985 · August 13, 2012, 04:03 AM

glad to hear your friend is okay.

Scout · August 13, 2012, 06:58 AM

Thanks to God and Bill Ruger.

Double Naught Spy · August 13, 2012, 07:24 AM

What did Bill Ruger do, LOL?

Stressfire · August 13, 2012, 08:19 AM

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Thanks to God and Bill Ruger.

I thought it was a Taurus?

Glad your friend is OK and emerged unscathed.

Skadoosh · August 13, 2012, 08:44 AM

Has your friend experienced any post-incident stress issues?

booker_t · August 13, 2012, 08:45 AM

Glad to hear your friend came out of this on top and that I'm also glad the story made the news. These events happen weekly, if not nearly every day, and need more press. As little as I use Facebook, I re-post articles like this and they always strike conversation.

Contrary to those with wild imaginations and dreams of controlling everybody's minute-to-minute actions, there was no shootout, there was no wild spray-and-pray from a semi-automatic (autoloading!!!!) concealable handgun. There were no stray bullets, no bystanders were killed, no children or kittens were scarred for life. One well-placed, controlled round drastically changed the outcome of the situation.

Can you inquire as to what type of ammunition he had loaded?

2damnold4this · August 13, 2012, 08:48 AM

Sounds like your friend made the best out of a bad situation.

doc540 · August 13, 2012, 07:49 PM

Just got home from spending a couple of hours with my friend.

He's doing well, but they took his gun until the investigation is complete.

So what does a good friend do?

I loaned him my CM9.

He said he not only didn't use his sights, he doesn't remember any loud noise or recoil.

He swept the shotgun muzzle away with his left hand, drew and fired across his lap with his right.

The perp saw the gun as he drew and began to step backwards.

When he fired the perp was moving/falling towards the rear of the truck.

It don't work like in the movies, friends.

(rather not discuss ammo yet until the investigation is completed)

Vermonter · August 13, 2012, 09:37 PM

Can you (if you don't want to I understand) comment on his mental state?

Sefner · August 13, 2012, 11:52 PM

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Can you (if you don't want to I understand) comment on his mental state?

I, too, am interested in this.

It sounds like your friend was able to bridge the gap in the reaction curve with a good bit of training. Give him my condolences and a good hand shake, and stay with him, he is going to need a friend.

Also, was the shotgun loaded?

FM12 · August 14, 2012, 12:44 AM

Good on your friend. I love an outcome like this!!

scottd913 · August 14, 2012, 03:21 PM

good for your friend.....bet you wont hear one good word for the shooter from the news.

DunRanull · August 14, 2012, 04:02 PM

Congrats to your friend, good shoot.. He acted as an Arm of Destiny and gave the robber another chance to clean up his life and act... and to your friend, some food for thought on arranging his priorities and defensive preparations. Gives the rest of us the same opportunity to consider our own responses to similar situations.
Thank the Almighty he lived to tell the tale. Not everyone facing a shotgun gets to walk away!

Scout · August 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

It must have been a Ruger...everyone knows that a Taurus (insert your bash here.) J/K

dssajj · August 14, 2012, 04:26 PM

Tell your friend good job. Check on him often, the shootings done but this incident is not he will need your support.

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oldgael · August 14, 2012, 04:29 PM

It takes a good man to stay cool while looking at a shotgun muzzle. Proper training and mindset paid off for him. A good job, well done.

Double Naught Spy · August 14, 2012, 09:15 PM

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He said he not only didn't use his sights, he doesn't remember any loud noise or recoil.

Okay, if we know the laws of physics don't change under stress, then we knew there was noise and recoil. That he doesn't recall either doesn't bode well for the credibility of using his sights or not. Logically if the shooting was described, then he probably never really had a chance to even bring his gun up, him pushing away the muzzle of the shotgun at the time and being at contact/interview distance. Still, what people recall from high stress situations often has issues.

People often believe in time dilation during high stress, where time slows down, they see certain things in amazing detail, but apparently that doesn't actually happen. They recall the event with time dilation, but don't actually experience it where action actually appears slowed to them.

booker_t · August 15, 2012, 08:06 AM

CM9 doesn't have much recoil or report to speak of, and I'm sure his brain was busy processing visual input more so than auditory.

Regarding time dilation, that's a function of most people not paying attention to anything most of their life. When something serious happens, all of a sudden their brain wakes up after being 9/10s asleep for the last decade. It's simply being in a flow state (Buddism) or "in the zone" (sports analogy).

9ballbilly · August 15, 2012, 08:18 AM

Congrats to your friend! Nice to hear of a happy ending.

Dave P · August 15, 2012, 09:30 AM

"The perp saw the gun as he drew and began to step backwards.

When he fired the perp was moving/falling towards the rear of the truck."

That sure makes it sound like the perp was retreating before being shot (perp says: Sorry Dude, I didn't mean anything by it - have a nice day.).

Hope the lawyers don't make an issue of it.

booker_t · August 15, 2012, 09:53 AM

Dave P: Considering the victim had a shotgun to his head at the time, I would hope not.

MLeake · August 15, 2012, 09:53 AM

It could easily be argued the BG stepped back to retain control of the shotgun the defender was deflecting. Pretty sure the defender doesn't have to worry too much.

Jamesmrj · August 15, 2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by booker_t

Regarding time dilation, that's a function of most people not paying attention to anything most of their life. When something serious happens, all of a sudden their brain wakes up after being 9/10s asleep for the last decade. It's simply being in a flow state (Buddism) or "in the zone" (sports analogy).

Or if my memory of one of my Psych classes serves me right, the release of Norepinephrine speeds up brain processes, thus time dialation.

booker_t · August 15, 2012, 10:09 AM

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Jamesmrj: Or if my memory of one of my Psych classes serves me right, the release of Norepinephrine speeds up brain processes, thus time dialation.

Please explain to me how the release of Norepinephrine (a vasopresser, raises the blood pressure by constricting blood vessels) causes an actual, measurable delta in elapsed time between two observers of the same event.

Point is, there is no actual time change. You're simply repeating what I said with soft-science references and no citations to demonstrate correlation or causation.

MLeake · August 15, 2012, 01:04 PM

bookert, there's a difference between actual elapsed time changing, and the perception of elapsed time changing.

If you've ever been in a bike or car wreck, (or bodyboarding wipeout...), you might have experienced the phenomenon. Time doesn't change, and reaction speed doesn't miraculously increase, but the events from the first-person perspective seem to take painfully long.

As in, "Oh, this is really going to OUCH!!! hurt; here comes the ground a- OOOF!! -gain; I hope I don't break my AAAARGH!!! neck...)

Been there, done that. It wasn't a memory of "time compression," I noticed it at the time it was happening. Didn't give me super-human powers to correct the problem (not a lot to do when ballistic, and still attached to the bike in mid-air; nor when one's car is spinning down the interstate after catching the shoulder when avoiding another car's sudden wreck), but I was amazed at all the things I was noticing as my control of events went away completely.

August 13, 2012, 04:03 AM	#26
akguy1985 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Location: Claremore, Oklahoma Posts: 179	glad to hear your friend is okay. __________________ Marksman of the mezzanine

August 13, 2012, 06:58 AM	#27
Scout Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 510	Thanks to God and Bill Ruger. __________________ God bless the U.S. Cavalry

August 13, 2012, 07:24 AM	#28
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	What did Bill Ruger do, LOL? __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

August 13, 2012, 08:44 AM	#30
Skadoosh Senior Member Join Date: December 13, 2010 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 2,016	Has your friend experienced any post-incident stress issues? __________________ NRA Life Member USN Retired

August 13, 2012, 08:45 AM	#31
booker_t Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2009 Posts: 797	Glad to hear your friend came out of this on top and that I'm also glad the story made the news. These events happen weekly, if not nearly every day, and need more press. As little as I use Facebook, I re-post articles like this and they always strike conversation. Contrary to those with wild imaginations and dreams of controlling everybody's minute-to-minute actions, there was no shootout, there was no wild spray-and-pray from a semi-automatic (autoloading!!!!) concealable handgun. There were no stray bullets, no bystanders were killed, no children or kittens were scarred for life. One well-placed, controlled round drastically changed the outcome of the situation. Can you inquire as to what type of ammunition he had loaded? Last edited by booker_t; August 13, 2012 at 11:00 AM.

August 13, 2012, 08:48 AM	#32
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	Sounds like your friend made the best out of a bad situation.

August 13, 2012, 07:49 PM	#33
doc540 Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 1,430	Just got home from spending a couple of hours with my friend. He's doing well, but they took his gun until the investigation is complete. So what does a good friend do? I loaned him my CM9. He said he not only didn't use his sights, he doesn't remember any loud noise or recoil. He swept the shotgun muzzle away with his left hand, drew and fired across his lap with his right. The perp saw the gun as he drew and began to step backwards. When he fired the perp was moving/falling towards the rear of the truck. It don't work like in the movies, friends. (rather not discuss ammo yet until the investigation is completed) __________________ Shooting more, typing less

August 13, 2012, 09:37 PM	#34
Vermonter Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2010 Posts: 962	Can you (if you don't want to I understand) comment on his mental state?

August 14, 2012, 12:44 AM	#36
FM12 Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2007 Location: Monroeville, Alabama Posts: 1,683	Good on your friend. I love an outcome like this!!

August 14, 2012, 03:21 PM	#37
scottd913 Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2012 Location: Texas ... north of houston, east of el paso Posts: 214	good for your friend.....bet you wont hear one good word for the shooter from the news.

August 14, 2012, 04:02 PM	#38
DunRanull Junior member Join Date: April 24, 2005 Location: Southern Colorado, where a small working knowledge of southwestern Hispanic culture is considered polite. Posts: 99	Congrats to your friend, good shoot.. He acted as an Arm of Destiny and gave the robber another chance to clean up his life and act... and to your friend, some food for thought on arranging his priorities and defensive preparations. Gives the rest of us the same opportunity to consider our own responses to similar situations. Thank the Almighty he lived to tell the tale. Not everyone facing a shotgun gets to walk away!

August 14, 2012, 04:14 PM	#39
Scout Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 510	It must have been a Ruger...everyone knows that a Taurus (insert your bash here.) J/K __________________ God bless the U.S. Cavalry

August 14, 2012, 04:26 PM	#40
dssajj Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Northeast Kansas Posts: 68	Tell your friend good job. Check on him often, the shootings done but this incident is not he will need your support. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using Tapatalk 2

August 14, 2012, 04:29 PM	#41
oldgael Member Join Date: April 23, 2012 Location: Rural village, eastern Ct Posts: 17	It takes a good man to stay cool while looking at a shotgun muzzle. Proper training and mindset paid off for him. A good job, well done.

August 15, 2012, 08:06 AM	#43
booker_t Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2009 Posts: 797	CM9 doesn't have much recoil or report to speak of, and I'm sure his brain was busy processing visual input more so than auditory. Regarding time dilation, that's a function of most people not paying attention to anything most of their life. When something serious happens, all of a sudden their brain wakes up after being 9/10s asleep for the last decade. It's simply being in a flow state (Buddism) or "in the zone" (sports analogy).

August 15, 2012, 08:18 AM	#44
9ballbilly Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2008 Location: northeast Florida Posts: 611	Congrats to your friend! Nice to hear of a happy ending.

August 15, 2012, 09:30 AM	#45
Dave P Senior Member Join Date: August 16, 1999 Location: North Florida Posts: 1,346	"The perp saw the gun as he drew and began to step backwards. When he fired the perp was moving/falling towards the rear of the truck." That sure makes it sound like the perp was retreating before being shot (perp says: Sorry Dude, I didn't mean anything by it - have a nice day.). Hope the lawyers don't make an issue of it. __________________ I think this country is screwed.

August 15, 2012, 09:53 AM	#46
booker_t Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2009 Posts: 797	Dave P: Considering the victim had a shotgun to his head at the time, I would hope not.

August 15, 2012, 09:53 AM	#47
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	It could easily be argued the BG stepped back to retain control of the shotgun the defender was deflecting. Pretty sure the defender doesn't have to worry too much.

August 15, 2012, 01:04 PM	#50
MLeake Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 2007 Location: Outside KC, MO Posts: 10,128	bookert, there's a difference between actual elapsed time changing, and the perception of elapsed time changing. If you've ever been in a bike or car wreck, (or bodyboarding wipeout...), you might have experienced the phenomenon. Time doesn't change, and reaction speed doesn't miraculously increase, but the events from the first-person perspective seem to take painfully long. As in, "Oh, this is really going to OUCH!!! hurt; here comes the ground a- OOOF!! -gain; I hope I don't break my AAAARGH!!! neck...) Been there, done that. It wasn't a memory of "time compression," I noticed it at the time it was happening. Didn't give me super-human powers to correct the problem (not a lot to do when ballistic, and still attached to the bike in mid-air; nor when one's car is spinning down the interstate after catching the shoulder when avoiding another car's sudden wreck), but I was amazed at all the things I was noticing as my control of events went away completely.