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August 6, 2009, 12:01 PM | #1 |
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California criminal release
A Federal three judge panel just ruled on a series of law suits, (some over a decade old), and ordered the State of Calif. to release 43,000 prison inmates.
It hasn't been worked out yet how the bankrupt state will accomplish the task. Before the ruling they wanted to release 27K to save money. Wonder how much they save re-arresting, trying, and putting them back where they came from. Before they find their way back to the same prisons they came from, I wonder how many citizens will be murdered, raped, robbed, and so forth. It's reported that Californians are a bit nervous at this point. Last edited by Nnobby45; August 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM. |
August 6, 2009, 01:43 PM | #2 |
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Well I found some news stories on this. Looks like this is Californias fault and the state government has grossly neglected the prison system.
Not like they will be the only state to not intern non-violent offenders. |
August 6, 2009, 02:15 PM | #3 |
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Socialism at its finest. Tax payers keep paying all these LE agencies to treat gang sodiers as citizens and keep locking them up over and over again. Gangs do not have that many people; it would be easy for LE to wipe them out as enemies of the state, Rebels, War criminals, w.e you want to call it. Bottom line these people are at war with the USA, and they should be treated as enemy soldiers.
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August 7, 2009, 03:04 PM | #5 |
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They could save alot by deporting all the illegals in California prisons. Last I heard that was about 40% of the prison population in California.
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August 7, 2009, 03:21 PM | #6 |
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It's different because rights of US citizens apply to these enemy soldiers, and police have to go through all the legalities of evidence, magistrates, reasonable suspicion and search warrants etc , it's absurd. Gang Territory is enemy territory. Go wipe em out, I don't want to keep paying 20 f'n angencies who are useless because they are not allowed to do their job. I'm sorry but if you have a giant army wiping out global terrorist you need to wipe out domestic terrorists. I start a gang and go claim territory within a sovereign country, ITS AN ACT OF WAR.
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August 7, 2009, 03:30 PM | #7 | |
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August 7, 2009, 03:33 PM | #8 |
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Constitution shouldn't protect Enemy soldiers, It should protect citizens from wasting tax money on usless LE systems. Just because we want to be nice.
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August 7, 2009, 03:39 PM | #9 |
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what enemy soldiers are you speaking of? Or are you just labeling all criminals as soldiers? I'm not following, please explain, I'd like to understand where you're coming from. We're talking about prisoners that probably were jailed for non violent drug crimes, some for harsher crimes I'm sure, but how can you say that the Constitution shouldn't apply when in fact it most certainly should.
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August 7, 2009, 03:46 PM | #10 |
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The gangs, the gang problem. It's ludicrous to leave 3,000 gang members setting around in the states creating domestic crimes over and over again, trafficking in illegal goods - over and over again.
How easy is it to just wipe out 3,000 gang members instead of wasting money arresting them, jailing them, paying for their trials, then on top of it - providing care of all forms while in prison. Gang membes are enemy soldiers, they show up, form a militia and take over sovereign territory. I am not commenting on non-violent criminals. I read the post as "violent criminals" and i know california is infested with gangs, or is this not accurate? |
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This article stated, " plans to release ailing and short-term inmates for budget issues." Typically violent offenders aren't given a short term, thats usually given to small time drug offenders and such. Last edited by #18indycolts; August 7, 2009 at 04:23 PM. |
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Ok, good points, wasn't trying to be argumentative. You got me rethinking my initial thoughts. Non-violent criminals being released isn't to bad i guess. Still, something has to be done to address the cost issues of keping prisoners.
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August 15, 2009, 09:52 AM | #13 |
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August 15, 2009, 10:48 AM | #14 |
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There are a few things going on here.
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August 15, 2009, 11:38 AM | #15 |
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humor, off topic
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August 15, 2009, 11:42 AM | #16 |
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The Land of the Free
As long as you don't break one (or more) of the hundreds of thousands of laws we have in this country.
People go to prison for buying or selling the wrong thing. Or doing it in the wrong way. Or at the wrong time. For owning a piece of metal and wood too long, or too short. For thounds upon thousands of things that are essentially meaningless crimes that hurt no one, or at worst hurt the individual doing it and no one else. Do you know that attempted suicide is a crime? (suicide isn't, I wonder why?) When prison conditions in the US are better than the living conditions of the poor in other places, is it any wonder why so many come here? The worst thing the US can do to them is send them back. And we don't do that, in significant numbers. Releasing criminals into society to save money? Seems like a self perpetuating employment system for government, particularly everyone involved in law enforcement, judicial, and the penal system. Other than a relatively small number of people who run afoul of the system, the majority of people in prisons are there because they willfully and deliberately did things that got them put there. Of course, none of them ever planned on getting caught, but they were. Why would any rational person think that when they are released, that they will not simply pick up where they left off? How much of the "saved" money will be channeled into parole officers to monitor these people to help prevent them from committing more crimes, I wonder? Not enough, I would guess. And when more crimes are committed, the public will demand more law enforcement. Perhaps the root cause of the problem of not having enough money and space to house and care for criminals is the fact that so many things are crimes? And not doing enough to fix the problem actually keeps more people in government employed. Here's a thought, I wonder how much money California would save if they only had one gun control law. "shoot someone unjustifiably, go to prison". Scrap all the rest, and use there people who spend their time getting paid to enforce them for other things. Things like apprehending violent criminals, not somebody who didn't file the correct form the proper way.
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Rescind every gun law local and state that has been passed in California since 1900, then release the criminals. A program to supply training and practice ammo for new gun owners will be cheaper that replacing felons back into the system. Replacement of ammo for anybody who uses their gun to take out the trash. The state will save money and lawbreakers will find other occupations or other places to live. California would be a fun place for me to visit again.
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You don't hear about early prison releases in Maricopa County, Arizona. Think how much money they would save on utilities and food if they had a small time prison set up like what Sheriff Joe has down there. There are plenty of people who are in prison who could do their time in county jails.
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August 31, 2009, 05:18 PM | #22 |
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Being a native Californian it's a shame to see what's going on in the once golden State of California. Their are many issues for us to blame and yes I do believe the public unions are way out of control. Another issue is illegal immigration which in it self cost the state more than the states deficit. No one in state government desires to address the negative impact illegal immigration is having on the once golden state. I know politicians don't want to lose the potential vote of the future of states majority whose loyalty is that of the country they are fleeing if that makes any sense.
This is just one of the many issues Ca must address to get California back on track. Until we stop the unlawful invasion of this State as many others we will see more states becoming financial disasters. This is not a race issue but an issue of legality and national sovereignty. We do not need immigration reform but immigration enforcement. |
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w_houle: My point being, if we would start to treat prisoners as prisoners (Those who really deserve it) instead of misguided little boys and girls who need cable TV and three magazine subscriptions, maybe things would be different.
Why in the world do we need to provide these people with a/c? Coffee? I wish that I had had coffee and A/C when I was stuck in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. I lived in a tent, sweated my butt off during the day and froze at night. I came through it alright. Most prisoners have better living conditions than our military. A friend of mine serves on submarines and he has to hot bunk and he works with nuclear power. (He can not go to bed until the guy in the bunk gets out to go to work, for those that may not know the term.) Quit coddling them and maybe they will not be back. I have visited US Service members in prisons in Korea, The Philippines and Japan. No wonder they want to come back to the US to serve their time.
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Every, and I mean EVERY sadistic violent crime and EVERY sadistic crime against a child.... that person should looses ALL rights and be given the death penatly immeditaly with there organs harvested and given to people that need them...the rest of there bodies given to science..
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