Oops! Safety first when hunting (warning - graphic photos)

FirstFreedom · February 16, 2006, 03:15 PM

Wow. This dude's hard head came in real handy - he's lucky to be alive. Note to self: Don't hunt with this guy's buddy.

stephen426 · February 16, 2006, 03:52 PM

Holy CRAP!!! That guy us lucky to be alive. How the hell does that happen by accident? If I were the responding officer, I would arrest the guy for attempted murder. How come the doctors couldn't just yank out the arrow rather than cutting a chunk of his skull out?

squrm · February 16, 2006, 04:01 PM

yeah, that guy needed an arrow like he needed a hole in his head...his friend should step up and offer a chunk of his skull to make up for it. tis only fair. chunk for a chunk

superpelly · February 16, 2006, 04:50 PM

yea, seen that on Rotten.com ---He's lucky. His buddy was a pretty good shot!! dead center

yorec · February 16, 2006, 05:25 PM

Whew... Just think, a couple inches lower and he'd have been introuble!

(I think removing the chunk of skull was to limit the damage of removing the point - also why they cut it off instead of simply unscrewing it. Less stress to the damaged areas.)

Dirty_Harry · February 16, 2006, 05:25 PM

That is one of the nastiest things I have ever seen.

Foxman · February 16, 2006, 05:45 PM

I would be goin round and converting him to a eunuch after I got better!
That is crazy.

Wild Bill Bucks · February 16, 2006, 05:49 PM

I figure the only reason he is still alive, is he was shot with a wimp bow, or shot from so far away, the arrow had run out of gas.

Best thing I can say to him , is he better be glad he was shot with his buddies bow, and not mine.

HSMITH · February 16, 2006, 07:03 PM

I think WBB might be on to something. It must have been at an extremely long distance or a riccochet. My bow would blow through his head like a paper bag at 80+ yards.

That feller there should go by "lucky' from now on......

FirstFreedom · February 16, 2006, 07:25 PM

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How come the doctors couldn't just yank out the arrow rather than cutting a chunk of his skull out?

I wondered that too - doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe it's a hoax.

chemist308 · February 16, 2006, 07:37 PM

Damn that's worse than I expected to see! That's gotta hurt. Real lucky to survive. Either had to be from a distance or not a full draw though. Wonder about brain damage/personallity changes resulting from the injury.

impact · February 16, 2006, 09:37 PM

The guy looks like he has a cut on the top left shoulder and one on the side of his head. What did he do? get in a fight with the shooter before he was shot.

The shooter must have been a long ways a way. At close range the arrow would have went through his head

Got a link to what happened? Just have to many questions.

MeekAndMild · February 16, 2006, 09:45 PM

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How come the doctors couldn't just yank out the arrow rather than cutting a chunk of his skull out?

They have to make a hole to let the blood out and to give them room to cauterize the bleeding inside the head. Otherwise the pressure would build up and kill him.

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Wonder about brain damage/personallity changes resulting from the injury.

That part of the brain controls the visual fields. Imagine a computer screen with an area of blacked out pixels and that's what you get.

Twycross · February 17, 2006, 12:29 AM

Yeah, but it looks like he was pretty much center-punched. We can still hope the arrow and side effects didn't do much major damage to either lobe. At least it was high enough to miss the brainstem and hindbrain.

TopGun · February 17, 2006, 01:56 AM

Correct me if I am mistaken but in the first pic the arrow where it has entered is like beige color where as in the second pic it is dark green. Also the diameter in the second pic looks larger then that in the first. I don't know if you can trust anything off the web these days especially off rotten.com. I would assume that this is a hoax.

Steven

Beretta SPII
Miroku 9000

Wild Bill Bucks · February 17, 2006, 08:33 AM

I think TG is right about being a hoax, but pictures like this should serve as a reminder to all of us (Hoax or not) to be careful while hunting.
I also would not put to much store in anything I pull from the net, but all info entered into the forum will generally serve a purpose under the right circumstances.

People who post here are generally not doing it to be malicious.

FirstFreedom · February 17, 2006, 10:07 AM

Yeah, I'm just passing along pics from an email I received. But I'm starting to believe the hoax idea. In any event, as WBB said, a lesson can be learned.

Double Naught Spy · February 17, 2006, 10:26 AM

If you want some additional reminders without the graphic images, check the site below. They have hunting "accident" data from the early 90s to 2004. I think the earlier stuff is better reported than the later stuff.

http://www.ihea.com/docs/Incident_Reports1

It scares me to think that there are people out there who are breathing my, MY air, but not using it to oxygenate their brains. There are usually 1-4 incidents of folks getting shot while using a loaded pistol, rifle, or shotgun as a hammer or club.

I don't know if the images here are a hoax or not as I could not verify anything any them with several searches. In looking at each, the only inconsistency I see is that in the first pic the arrow is embedded in the back of the head deep enough that the rear of the arrowhead's vanes can just be discerned. In the last image, the arrow obviously isn't shown embedded that deep. Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't that deep. The two parts together may have been reassembled and not returned to the orignal position. Note that the bone shown with the arrow tip is cranial bone and based on what I can see of it, it is about as thick as it should be for human cranial bone and the irregular interior surface is about what you would expect of the occipital's interior surface.

The only real problem I see where something just looks wrong is in the second image. The shot guy appears to be prostrate, head anchored into position to keep it steady, and breathing tubes going to his face that we can't see. What does not look right in that image is that I can't think of a single hospital that uses stained wood furniture as an operating table, not in the US anyway.

Do check the IHEA site. It has interesting stuff.

Odd Job · February 17, 2006, 07:30 PM

I don't think those images are a hoax. Image number two is with the patient prone on a neuro operating table. The clamp can be seen on the right (patient's left) and the ventilator tubing running on the floor underneath him. This would be after the anaesthetic but before the scrub. There is even the shoulder tape that they use to secure the guy to the table and get the shoulders down. A hoaxer wouldn't know this and he wouldn't have access to the operating room equipment like that.

I looked this up a bit more and I found a report on this incident:

http://www.texasarchery.org/images/Overdraw/dangers.htm

They say he was shot by his brother, and the release was not complete. That's why the penetration was not so deep.

roy reali · February 17, 2006, 08:00 PM

He is lucky that he wasn't shot with a 28 gauge shotgun with birdshot.

FrontSight · February 17, 2006, 08:29 PM

Ha, that was funny...

FirstFreedom · February 17, 2006, 09:02 PM

DNS, thanks for that great link. Guess it's not a hoax - scary.

dgc940 · February 18, 2006, 11:19 AM

Ive got a question? in the second photo it shows the broadhead flush with skull
in photo 3 it shows it half ! Ok in photo 3 the point is 3/8 to 1/2 inch into brain side. ok if you look at 2 again and it was flush the point would now be 1" - 1 1/2 into brain? how could that be? he must have brain damage?

Odd Job · February 18, 2006, 02:03 PM

@ dgc940

There are several things to consider here:

1) The scalp is quite thick, a lot thicker than you might think. The victim looks to be quite a 'chunky' fellow too. You have to add that tissue thickness to the bone you see in photograph 3.
2) There may have been an attempt to 'pull' the arrow. This may have displaced it a little. It makes sense that if a pull was attempted, it would be attempted only once the patient was in a controlled environment. This would mean that the pull would be attempted after photograph 2 was taken.
3) Alternatively they may have not tried to pull the arrow, and waited until they had the bone flap out. They may then have attempted the pull and it may have not been entirely successful but the photograph (number 3) was taken anyway.

I know that when they do neurosurgey to extract tumours etc they can keep a removed bone flap for reimplantation later. What they usually do is send the bone flap for sterilization like a surgical instrument. Whether they did that with this patient I don't know. But it might have been done as a sort of debridement otherwise they would need to give the guy an artificial plate of sorts.

Desertfox · February 18, 2006, 11:06 PM

maybe they left the hole and put a metal plate. Not unlike the metal plate that must be in the head of his buddy that shot him.
I agree with wild bill ........any decent bow whould have been a pass thru.
Walmart broadheads anyway. A muzzy would have finished the job.

February 16, 2006, 03:52 PM	#2
stephen426 Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 2005 Posts: 3,840	Holy CRAP!!! That guy us lucky to be alive. How the hell does that happen by accident? If I were the responding officer, I would arrest the guy for attempted murder. How come the doctors couldn't just yank out the arrow rather than cutting a chunk of his skull out? __________________ The ATF should be a convenience store instead of a government agency!

February 16, 2006, 05:25 PM	#5
yorec Senior Member Join Date: February 2, 2000 Location: Wyoming Posts: 2,328	Whew... Just think, a couple inches lower and he'd have been introuble! (I think removing the chunk of skull was to limit the damage of removing the point - also why they cut it off instead of simply unscrewing it. Less stress to the damaged areas.) __________________ What part of "... shall not be infringed..." don't you understand?

February 16, 2006, 05:25 PM	#6
Dirty_Harry Senior Member Join Date: January 11, 2006 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 1,484	That is one of the nastiest things I have ever seen. __________________ "The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you never should have laid down." "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them." -John Wayne

February 16, 2006, 05:45 PM	#7
Foxman Senior Member Join Date: August 13, 2005 Posts: 466	I would be goin round and converting him to a eunuch after I got better! That is crazy. __________________ Better the man suspected of being a fool keep his mouth shut, than to open it and remove all doubt.

February 16, 2006, 07:37 PM	#11
chemist308 Senior Member Join Date: July 28, 2005 Location: Pocono Mtns, PA Posts: 587	Damn that's worse than I expected to see! That's gotta hurt. Real lucky to survive. Either had to be from a distance or not a full draw though. Wonder about brain damage/personallity changes resulting from the injury. __________________ critters: the other red meat Live in PA? PA Firearms Owners Association

February 16, 2006, 04:01 PM	#3
squrm Junior member Join Date: February 15, 2006 Location: Tucson, Az Posts: 86	yeah, that guy needed an arrow like he needed a hole in his head...his friend should step up and offer a chunk of his skull to make up for it. tis only fair. chunk for a chunk

February 16, 2006, 04:50 PM	#4
superpelly Senior Member Join Date: February 17, 2005 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 499	yea, seen that on Rotten.com ---He's lucky. His buddy was a pretty good shot!! dead center

February 16, 2006, 05:49 PM	#8
Wild Bill Bucks Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2005 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch Posts: 1,266	I figure the only reason he is still alive, is he was shot with a wimp bow, or shot from so far away, the arrow had run out of gas. Best thing I can say to him , is he better be glad he was shot with his buddies bow, and not mine.

February 16, 2006, 07:03 PM	#9
HSMITH Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2002 Posts: 2,019	I think WBB might be on to something. It must have been at an extremely long distance or a riccochet. My bow would blow through his head like a paper bag at 80+ yards. That feller there should go by "lucky' from now on......

February 16, 2006, 09:37 PM	#12
impact Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2005 Location: the great state of Texas Posts: 854	The guy looks like he has a cut on the top left shoulder and one on the side of his head. What did he do? get in a fight with the shooter before he was shot. The shooter must have been a long ways a way. At close range the arrow would have went through his head Got a link to what happened? Just have to many questions.

February 17, 2006, 12:29 AM	#14
Twycross Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Montana Posts: 1,187	Yeah, but it looks like he was pretty much center-punched. We can still hope the arrow and side effects didn't do much major damage to either lobe. At least it was high enough to miss the brainstem and hindbrain. __________________ The test of character is not 'hanging in' when you expect light at the end of the tunnel, but performance of duty, and persistence of example when you know no light is coming. - Vice Admiral James Stockdale, USN (ret.)

February 17, 2006, 01:56 AM	#15
TopGun Junior Member Join Date: February 14, 2006 Location: Geelong Victoria Australia Posts: 13	Correct me if I am mistaken but in the first pic the arrow where it has entered is like beige color where as in the second pic it is dark green. Also the diameter in the second pic looks larger then that in the first. I don't know if you can trust anything off the web these days especially off rotten.com. I would assume that this is a hoax. Steven Beretta SPII Miroku 9000

February 17, 2006, 08:33 AM	#16
Wild Bill Bucks Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2005 Location: Southeastern Oklahoma, Next door to Sasquatch Posts: 1,266	I think TG is right about being a hoax, but pictures like this should serve as a reminder to all of us (Hoax or not) to be careful while hunting. I also would not put to much store in anything I pull from the net, but all info entered into the forum will generally serve a purpose under the right circumstances. People who post here are generally not doing it to be malicious.

February 17, 2006, 10:07 AM	#17
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Yeah, I'm just passing along pics from an email I received. But I'm starting to believe the hoax idea. In any event, as WBB said, a lesson can be learned.

February 17, 2006, 10:26 AM	#18
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	If you want some additional reminders without the graphic images, check the site below. They have hunting "accident" data from the early 90s to 2004. I think the earlier stuff is better reported than the later stuff. http://www.ihea.com/docs/Incident_Reports1 It scares me to think that there are people out there who are breathing my, MY air, but not using it to oxygenate their brains. There are usually 1-4 incidents of folks getting shot while using a loaded pistol, rifle, or shotgun as a hammer or club. I don't know if the images here are a hoax or not as I could not verify anything any them with several searches. In looking at each, the only inconsistency I see is that in the first pic the arrow is embedded in the back of the head deep enough that the rear of the arrowhead's vanes can just be discerned. In the last image, the arrow obviously isn't shown embedded that deep. Of course, that doesn't mean it wasn't that deep. The two parts together may have been reassembled and not returned to the orignal position. Note that the bone shown with the arrow tip is cranial bone and based on what I can see of it, it is about as thick as it should be for human cranial bone and the irregular interior surface is about what you would expect of the occipital's interior surface. The only real problem I see where something just looks wrong is in the second image. The shot guy appears to be prostrate, head anchored into position to keep it steady, and breathing tubes going to his face that we can't see. What does not look right in that image is that I can't think of a single hospital that uses stained wood furniture as an operating table, not in the US anyway. Do check the IHEA site. It has interesting stuff. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

February 17, 2006, 07:30 PM	#19
Odd Job Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2006 Location: London (ex SA) Posts: 476	I don't think those images are a hoax. Image number two is with the patient prone on a neuro operating table. The clamp can be seen on the right (patient's left) and the ventilator tubing running on the floor underneath him. This would be after the anaesthetic but before the scrub. There is even the shoulder tape that they use to secure the guy to the table and get the shoulders down. A hoaxer wouldn't know this and he wouldn't have access to the operating room equipment like that. I looked this up a bit more and I found a report on this incident: http://www.texasarchery.org/images/Overdraw/dangers.htm They say he was shot by his brother, and the release was not complete. That's why the penetration was not so deep.

February 17, 2006, 08:00 PM	#20
roy reali Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2005 Posts: 3,248	Lucky Guy He is lucky that he wasn't shot with a 28 gauge shotgun with birdshot.

February 17, 2006, 08:29 PM	#21
FrontSight Senior Member Join Date: September 9, 2005 Posts: 1,712	28 & birdshot Ha, that was funny...

February 17, 2006, 09:02 PM	#22
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	DNS, thanks for that great link. Guess it's not a hoax - scary.

February 18, 2006, 11:19 AM	#23
dgc940 Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2005 Location: Graham Texas Posts: 258	Ive got a question? in the second photo it shows the broadhead flush with skull in photo 3 it shows it half ! Ok in photo 3 the point is 3/8 to 1/2 inch into brain side. ok if you look at 2 again and it was flush the point would now be 1" - 1 1/2 into brain? how could that be? he must have brain damage? __________________ Some people say what they think! Some say what they know! Then there's those that think they know what they are saying!

February 18, 2006, 02:03 PM	#24
Odd Job Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2006 Location: London (ex SA) Posts: 476	@ dgc940 There are several things to consider here: 1) The scalp is quite thick, a lot thicker than you might think. The victim looks to be quite a 'chunky' fellow too. You have to add that tissue thickness to the bone you see in photograph 3. 2) There may have been an attempt to 'pull' the arrow. This may have displaced it a little. It makes sense that if a pull was attempted, it would be attempted only once the patient was in a controlled environment. This would mean that the pull would be attempted after photograph 2 was taken. 3) Alternatively they may have not tried to pull the arrow, and waited until they had the bone flap out. They may then have attempted the pull and it may have not been entirely successful but the photograph (number 3) was taken anyway. I know that when they do neurosurgey to extract tumours etc they can keep a removed bone flap for reimplantation later. What they usually do is send the bone flap for sterilization like a surgical instrument. Whether they did that with this patient I don't know. But it might have been done as a sort of debridement otherwise they would need to give the guy an artificial plate of sorts.

February 18, 2006, 11:06 PM	#25
Desertfox Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2006 Location: Arkansas-Oklahoma Line Posts: 336	maybe they left the hole and put a metal plate. Not unlike the metal plate that must be in the head of his buddy that shot him. I agree with wild bill ........any decent bow whould have been a pass thru. Walmart broadheads anyway. A muzzy would have finished the job. __________________ Teach a kid to respect wildlife, then teach a kid to hunt and fish.