Gun Buy backs

TOM RENZO · October 18, 2013, 05:49 PM

Ridgefield had a gun buy back a few months ago. The police said to put your guns in the trunk and drive over to the town garage. First if you do not have a carry permit you can not transport a handgun in your car or for that matter take it out of your home as i ws told. Also the new State law requires transfer paper work for all gun transfers and i have read the law and have not found anything that exempts the Police from this paper work! Is gun buy backs legal?? And also can a person like me do the Boy Scout merit badge shooting tests. The law says i can not transfer ammo to anyone under 18 or anyone not having proper paper work. ASlso can i sell AMMO to out of state customers at the range with an out of state carry permit. There seems to be a great deal of confusion. Everytime i ask weapons there story is different depending on who you talk with. Thank you if you can answer this i would appreciate it!

**Tom Servo** · October 18, 2013, 08:50 PM

It would really help if we knew what state you are in.

TOM RENZO · October 18, 2013, 09:09 PM

That would be Ridgefield CT

armoredman · October 18, 2013, 10:53 PM

The whole term "buy back" irritates me to no end - they cannot buy "back" what they never owned. Second, this is a clear case of "we are the law - we will say who we arrest and who we don't arrest." Don't trust it without a clear opinion, preferably by the state AG.
I wish you the best of luck in getting your rights back, sir.

**44 AMP** · October 19, 2013, 06:38 PM

If they had a "buyback" program a few months ago, after having passed the latest round of laws, I'd say that they "got away with it". Don't let them get away with it again!

I believe I heard of a buyback that had to be cancelled, (in NY IIRC), because it got pointed out that they had to comply with ALL the new laws there. And they couldn't. (or wouldn't?).

Al Norris · October 19, 2013, 06:52 PM

Not an L&CR topic. Moved to Gen. Discussion.

TOM RENZO · October 19, 2013, 10:18 PM

Here is the reason i ask this. As an instructor of the boy scout shooting merit badge program i can not transfer ammo to them so they can qualify. CT law forbids it. So how can they do the program?? The state police will not answer our question on this. We also sell AMMO at the range in CT and we asked if out of state residents with permits can buy ammo. Once again no answer. Also are gun Buy Backs ILLEGAL? I say YES because the new law does not exempt Police officers or police agencies. This is how i read it and once again weapons will not answer our questions. Does anyone know the answers to these questions. Thank You!!

m52a2 · October 19, 2013, 10:52 PM

Sounds Like CT's gun laws are illegal.

Skans · October 21, 2013, 08:01 AM

I'm having my own gun buy-back. I'm paying $100 for all Browning Hi-Powers with serial numbers that start with "T" or "C".

jag2 · October 21, 2013, 04:24 PM

Most LE (but admittedly not all) have common sense and are not out to ruin your day and they are not out to bust a boy scout troop having a safe day at the range. I think the same would apply to anyone buying a couple of boxes of ammo to shoot at the range. Now if someone pulls up in a semi at a supermarket and starts selling cases of ammo out the back to anyone with enough money, yeah, I think LE is going to ruin their day. (maybe in CT, probably not in TX) As for gun buy backs, sure I wish I could look them over and maybe buy one. But just because you and I enjoy owning guns and have them around the house doesn't mean everybody else does. I think it is an excellent program for people that don't feel comfortable having a gun in the house. They're not quite sure what to do with it. A buy back offers them a safe solution and puts a few bucks in their pockets. Don't see any problem with that. They don't really care how it got there and how the heck would they even know if it is safely locked in your trunk. Just my opinions.

RUT · October 21, 2013, 05:34 PM

How much are they paying?

2ndsojourn · October 22, 2013, 06:25 AM

About three months ago NJ had a buyback program in a town just outside Atlantic City. A few dealers set up out on the street outside and were offering more money than the program was offering. Needless to say, the local cops didn't like it but couldn't do anything about it.

BoogieMan · October 25, 2013, 05:38 AM

@Jag2-- I would tend to agree with what you are saying. 99% of the time your worst case scenario would be LE telling you you need to stop the activity. BUT, if you get LE that doesnt think subjects should be armed or one who is trying to make a name for him/herself by getting gun busts then you could find yourself in a heap of trouble. Not often but I hear of someone who is busted for a bogus crime. In NJ you cant have ammo or firearms in the car while spotting deer with a light. A buddy of mine turned around in a field and was busted by F&G for having a box of stingers in the car. 50 counts of illegal possession of ammunition. Cost him thousands.

RickB · October 25, 2013, 12:10 PM

And I love the "amnesty" aspect, where it's no-questions-asked, so dump that hot gun that you used to gun-down your drug dealing rival, and the police will melt it down for you.

SIGSHR · October 25, 2013, 01:59 PM

Yes, they cannot 'buy back' what was not theirs in the first place. And did you ever hear of a "buy back" for controlled substances or counterfeit money?

std7mag · October 26, 2013, 08:04 AM

I dislike any of the LE "buy back" programs.
Lets face it, many of us here would love the opportunity to purchase a firearm at a much cheaper price than the going resale value.
And we would hopefully act responsibly with said firearm.

As opposed to the LE buybacks that are simply going to melt them down.

I cry every time I hear of a "buy back"....

medalguy · October 26, 2013, 10:13 PM

Seems the proper question to answer is about the scouts wanting to shoot. Does providing ammo at the range for their use while at the range, and not allowing them to take any ammo away from the range, constitute a transfer? I would argue that that is NOT a transfer. It is still under your control. However, if you gave them a box of ammo and allowed them to take it home with them, that definitely WOULD be a transfer.

That might be a better question to ask the police, or your local prosecutor's office-- what is the definition of "transfer" of ammunition?

October 18, 2013, 05:49 PM	#1
TOM RENZO Member Join Date: May 24, 2010 Posts: 61	Gun Buy backs Ridgefield had a gun buy back a few months ago. The police said to put your guns in the trunk and drive over to the town garage. First if you do not have a carry permit you can not transport a handgun in your car or for that matter take it out of your home as i ws told. Also the new State law requires transfer paper work for all gun transfers and i have read the law and have not found anything that exempts the Police from this paper work! Is gun buy backs legal?? And also can a person like me do the Boy Scout merit badge shooting tests. The law says i can not transfer ammo to anyone under 18 or anyone not having proper paper work. ASlso can i sell AMMO to out of state customers at the range with an out of state carry permit. There seems to be a great deal of confusion. Everytime i ask weapons there story is different depending on who you talk with. Thank you if you can answer this i would appreciate it! __________________ Shoot Safe Shoot Often And Share The Sport

October 18, 2013, 08:50 PM	#2
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	It would really help if we knew what state you are in. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

October 18, 2013, 09:09 PM	#3
TOM RENZO Member Join Date: May 24, 2010 Posts: 61	That would be Ridgefield CT __________________ Shoot Safe Shoot Often And Share The Sport

October 19, 2013, 06:38 PM	#5
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,818	If they had a "buyback" program a few months ago, after having passed the latest round of laws, I'd say that they "got away with it". Don't let them get away with it again! I believe I heard of a buyback that had to be cancelled, (in NY IIRC), because it got pointed out that they had to comply with ALL the new laws there. And they couldn't. (or wouldn't?). __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

October 19, 2013, 10:18 PM	#7
TOM RENZO Member Join Date: May 24, 2010 Posts: 61	Here is the reason i ask this. As an instructor of the boy scout shooting merit badge program i can not transfer ammo to them so they can qualify. CT law forbids it. So how can they do the program?? The state police will not answer our question on this. We also sell AMMO at the range in CT and we asked if out of state residents with permits can buy ammo. Once again no answer. Also are gun Buy Backs ILLEGAL? I say YES because the new law does not exempt Police officers or police agencies. This is how i read it and once again weapons will not answer our questions. Does anyone know the answers to these questions. Thank You!! __________________ Shoot Safe Shoot Often And Share The Sport

October 18, 2013, 10:53 PM	#4
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	The whole term "buy back" irritates me to no end - they cannot buy "back" what they never owned. Second, this is a clear case of "we are the law - we will say who we arrest and who we don't arrest." Don't trust it without a clear opinion, preferably by the state AG. I wish you the best of luck in getting your rights back, sir.

October 19, 2013, 06:52 PM	#6
Al Norris Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 29, 2000 Location: Rupert, Idaho Posts: 9,660	Not an L&CR topic. Moved to Gen. Discussion.

October 19, 2013, 10:52 PM	#8
m52a2 Junior Member Join Date: October 19, 2013 Location: In the Past Posts: 9	Sounds Like CT's gun laws are illegal.

October 21, 2013, 08:01 AM	#9
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	I'm having my own gun buy-back. I'm paying $100 for all Browning Hi-Powers with serial numbers that start with "T" or "C".

October 21, 2013, 04:24 PM	#10
jag2 Senior Member Join Date: June 30, 2009 Location: dallas Posts: 773	Most LE (but admittedly not all) have common sense and are not out to ruin your day and they are not out to bust a boy scout troop having a safe day at the range. I think the same would apply to anyone buying a couple of boxes of ammo to shoot at the range. Now if someone pulls up in a semi at a supermarket and starts selling cases of ammo out the back to anyone with enough money, yeah, I think LE is going to ruin their day. (maybe in CT, probably not in TX) As for gun buy backs, sure I wish I could look them over and maybe buy one. But just because you and I enjoy owning guns and have them around the house doesn't mean everybody else does. I think it is an excellent program for people that don't feel comfortable having a gun in the house. They're not quite sure what to do with it. A buy back offers them a safe solution and puts a few bucks in their pockets. Don't see any problem with that. They don't really care how it got there and how the heck would they even know if it is safely locked in your trunk. Just my opinions. Last edited by Evan Thomas; October 21, 2013 at 05:15 PM. Reason: removed snark.

October 21, 2013, 05:34 PM	#11
RUT Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2004 Location: NH, USA Posts: 812	How much are they paying? __________________ Liberals don't care what you do... as long as it's mandated.

October 22, 2013, 06:25 AM	#12
2ndsojourn Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,416	About three months ago NJ had a buyback program in a town just outside Atlantic City. A few dealers set up out on the street outside and were offering more money than the program was offering. Needless to say, the local cops didn't like it but couldn't do anything about it.

October 25, 2013, 05:38 AM	#13
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	@Jag2-- I would tend to agree with what you are saying. 99% of the time your worst case scenario would be LE telling you you need to stop the activity. BUT, if you get LE that doesnt think subjects should be armed or one who is trying to make a name for him/herself by getting gun busts then you could find yourself in a heap of trouble. Not often but I hear of someone who is busted for a bogus crime. In NJ you cant have ammo or firearms in the car while spotting deer with a light. A buddy of mine turned around in a field and was busted by F&G for having a box of stingers in the car. 50 counts of illegal possession of ammunition. Cost him thousands. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

October 25, 2013, 12:10 PM	#14
RickB Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2000 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 8,518	And I love the "amnesty" aspect, where it's no-questions-asked, so dump that hot gun that you used to gun-down your drug dealing rival, and the police will melt it down for you.

October 25, 2013, 01:59 PM	#15
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	Yes, they cannot 'buy back' what was not theirs in the first place. And did you ever hear of a "buy back" for controlled substances or counterfeit money?

October 26, 2013, 08:04 AM	#16
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	I dislike any of the LE "buy back" programs. Lets face it, many of us here would love the opportunity to purchase a firearm at a much cheaper price than the going resale value. And we would hopefully act responsibly with said firearm. As opposed to the LE buybacks that are simply going to melt them down. I cry every time I hear of a "buy back"....

October 26, 2013, 10:13 PM	#17
medalguy Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,033	Seems the proper question to answer is about the scouts wanting to shoot. Does providing ammo at the range for their use while at the range, and not allowing them to take any ammo away from the range, constitute a transfer? I would argue that that is NOT a transfer. It is still under your control. However, if you gave them a box of ammo and allowed them to take it home with them, that definitely WOULD be a transfer. That might be a better question to ask the police, or your local prosecutor's office-- what is the definition of "transfer" of ammunition?