February 25, 2009, 06:21 PM | #51 |
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Thus, my friend - we will disagree. Theories of morality are open to debate among gentlefolk.
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How nice of them to state in advance that they intend to violate the law. This just about guaranties that they will not fire for this. If they do---. Keep a copy of this manual, it could be gold.
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I`m enjoying this discussion and have the utmost respect for the posters. That said, the issue of employer /employee morality in todays world, in a lot of different scenario`s is questionable at best. With over 30yrs. working for the gov`n.(city level) a book could be written about the dishonest/immoral things I`ve seen. One example of many: Watched a fellow employee that opens our gate every morning slip and fall on the ice(breaking ankle) unlocking gate and had to fight tooth and nail to get covered cause he was not yet clocked in. I`m sure I`m not alone in seeing these kind of immoral things . I enjoy my job(must,could have already retired) and am morally loyal to whom I work for but will continue to cc back and forth to work leaving my gun locked in my car until employer is responsible for my safety prior and after my hours of work. With crime rate as it is today isn`t it immoral for a company not to expect people to cc to and from work?
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As to firing a stalking victim who discloses to their employer what's happening is, in my view, disgusting. It could also be a civil tort because, as Mr. Armstrong points out, you agree to abide by the rules and do, yet the company terminates you for something not in their rules. Quote:
But let's take a different job. Suppose you are a 7-11 clerk. Southland Corp., owner of 7-11, (used to) refuse to allow employees to carry while working. Yet, they place 7-11 stores right next to freeway on/off ramps, out by the edge of towns and in high-crime areas. The store is open to anyone coming in the door. The company almost never discloses the number of clerks injured in robberies and never to job applicants. The way I see it, the "security" measures at most stores (cameras, recording systems, alarm buttons, etc.) are tantamount to having no safety shields in a cannery and telling employees they're "safe" because the company has an on-site ambulance. Quote:
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Appealing to "the greater moral good" or purpose only works for those with similar morals. Businesses have no morals. Thus, today I would phrase it in a more business-like fashion. Employers have a duty to minimize the risk of injury or death to employees and employees agree to avoid unnecessary risks. But certain jobs pose a risk of injury or death by others not controlled by the business and if the employer cannot mitigate those risks, he must allow the employee to provide for his own safety when necessary. Footnotes: [1]: At least in theory. [2]: According to many, including Benjamin Franklin, the currency act was the primary cause of the American Revolution.
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