10 Gauge Pump

OkieCowboy · July 1, 2000, 08:22 PM

Howdy...
First post here. I would like to know where I can find a pump action riot shotgun in 10 GA. (any brand).
Been looking but cannot seem to find any.

Thanks,
OkieLawman

ctdonath · July 1, 2000, 09:55 PM

Gotta ask: why? isn't .75 caliber (12 guage) enough?

Steven Mace · July 2, 2000, 12:52 AM

The only 10ga. slide action shotgun I'm aware of in current production is the Browning BPS Magnum. The shortest barrel offered is 24". Do you really need a 10ga. riot shotgun?

Steve Mace

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house · July 2, 2000, 03:43 AM

Might want to check a Shotgun news or a Gun List. Last time i was looking in them i belive i saw 10g shotguns comeing from russia
I dont no the cost. wild guess was about 400$
preaty good for a 10g now about ammo, good luck most store dont even cary that and if they do ammo is preaty darn expencive. better reload.

good luck
house

OkieCowboy · July 3, 2000, 01:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ctdonath:
Gotta ask: why? isn't .75 caliber (12 guage) enough?[/quote]A 12 guage probly is large enough. I live in a small town where backup is approximatly 12 miles away, if there is a officer out in the next town. In 12 yrs. I have only had to fire 1-round and that was when I was carrying a 357 wheelgun, so I may never have to use the 10 gauage anyway. Unlike the cities, everone knows what we carry, a 10 gauage would just be more of a deturant. I could tell you about several occasions where a shotgun made the difference, or my dog did. I won't go into stories now or I would be here all day. Word would get out that I carried a 10 gauage, and I am good with a shotgun. The only one better than me with a shotgun at the academy was our shotgun instructor.

jthuang · July 3, 2000, 01:54 PM

I remember reading a review of the Ithaca Roadblocker during middle school -- I think it was in the 1986 Gun Digest or the 1986 Shotgun Digest. The biggest problem the reviewers encountered was a lack of defensive ammunition for the big 10 bore -- they could only find birdshot, finding 00 or 000 buckshot was practically impossible.

If you've got a ready source of 10 gauge defensive ammunition (or a MEC press

) then you're fine. But you might want to check out the availability of social ammunition before you lay out the cash for a big 10.

HTH,

Justin

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late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania

Dave McC · July 3, 2000, 06:24 PM

As I recall, the Ithaca only held three rounds,and the design prevented stretching the tube. No input on the Browning pump.And, that sucker might be too heavy to move rapidly.

Since you're concerend about visual effect...

Maybe you should go for a nasty, black, accessorized semi auto 12, with ALL the bells whistles, fuzzy dice and fender skirts. Belt fed would be nice, too(G)...

Cowboy · July 4, 2000, 03:27 PM

Agree with OkieCowboy,
In rural areas, where everybody knows you, the mere reputation of a big gun, is deterrent enough, even though it might be just as efective as a 12 Gauge, the psychological factor is there.

Dave McC: The fuzzy dice might work in MD, but here in the South, we do things a little different.

Cowboy

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Dave McC · July 4, 2000, 03:51 PM

Last time I looked, Cowboy, the Mason Dixon line was still north of us(G).The kids think Bream filets are what's served for breakfast in Heaven, and shotguns are home owner's insurance plans.

And I got as many Confederate ancestors as Union ones.

Back to the guns...

Something to it, knew a Trooper who packed a blue steel S&W N-Frame 45 ACP revolver, and he had carefully polished the muzzle down to bright metal, on purpose. His theory was that it made it look bigger that way, and served as a deterrent.

Hueco · July 4, 2000, 08:19 PM

Here's a 4 gauge pump.

http://www.tennesseeguns.com/firearms.html

Unfortunately, I think the gun's only deterrence would be for you -- not wanting to pull the trigger.

Hueco

Correia · July 6, 2000, 09:39 PM

Hueco, that certainly would have a deterrant effect...On killer whales and dinosaurs! What the hell would you do with such a monster! (never mind I'm already starting to think of a few things).

Hueco · July 6, 2000, 10:05 PM

As the tale goes...The Russian med units used them to fix displaced shoulders. If a guy suffered one, they'd just have him shoot this puppy on the affected side (front/back)and he'd be alright. Only problem they encountered was that it tended to blow the shoulder through "fixed" and back to the OTHER side...thus re-displacing it. Yup, that's it.

A more practical purpose would be a deck gun for an international boat assuming slugs are available somewhere. I cannot imagine it being shoulder-fired...oh my.

Hueco

Dave McC · July 7, 2000, 07:44 AM

I wonder if that 4 gauge has a swivel mount for setting it up on a boat gunnel.

Coronach · July 7, 2000, 07:52 AM

Funny. Just looking at the gun, it doesn't look any larger than a 12 or 10 ga. I'm not sure what I was expecting to see, but it just looks like a normal shotgun to me. *shrug*

I do like the line 'ammo available soon!' That alone would deter me from the purchase. A gun with no ammo is a very high-tech club.

Mike

PS on the other hand, I am now officially curious what it would be like to shoot...

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Coinneach · July 7, 2000, 10:32 AM

My shop has a Browning 10. Holy crap, that thing's HUGE.

Remember, gents, when you ask "What do you need a cannon like that for," it isn't The Bill Of Needs. I have no practical purpose for a 10-gauge, or a Barrett M82 for that matter, but that isn't the point.

Okie, if you can find a 10-gauge, go for it.

RH · July 7, 2000, 01:04 PM

No it's not the Bill of Needs, so if ya want it go get it. Bear in mind, ammo is almost non-existent, practice will hurt like heck, follow up shots might need to be from the belly-up prone position.

I'm not a criminal or a rural trouble maker, but I don't think I'd be any more deterred to know someone had a loaded 10 vs. a loaded 12 at hand. The 12 has universally unquestioned stopping power, firing any number of objects of any size from the shell. If you want something different, something exotic, something to let the locals know you're a bad@$$, go for it. I don't think it adds a bit of psychological or tactical advantage. IMHO, of course.

ctdonath · July 7, 2000, 01:26 PM

A 12-guage is about as big as you can get and still be generally useable. Anything larger (10-guage, .50 BMG) is pretty specialized; such items have their place, and you're certainly free to get them (I'm debating the AR-50), but recognize what you're actually going to use it for (home defense? gawking at it?) and get something appropriate.

Actually, a 20-guage is about the max anyone would need; 12-guage just happens to be so popular and still generally useable that it's still a reasonable choice.

A key factor is ammo availability. 12 is very common; 10 is rare. Don't get something that you can't afford to practice with.

Coinneach · July 7, 2000, 04:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ctdonath:
Actually, a 20-guage is about the max anyone would need[/quote]

Carl, don't make me come over there.

Dave McC · July 8, 2000, 05:22 AM

In a quieter part of South East Asia, ca 1970, I recall shooting hand thrown clay pigeons with a MM79 grenade launcher with the Buckshot rounds. Any guesses on what the gauge would work out to?

ctdonath · July 8, 2000, 02:29 PM

Conneach-
To clarify the point:
"Need" is one thing. "Want" is certainly something else. Neither provides an excuse for anyone to limit someone else's options. I figure I only "need" a 20 guage for defense or hunting, but I'm sticking to my 12 guage 'cuz I WANT to (mmmmm...bigger holes...) and ain't nobody gonna deny me that option.

Correia · July 8, 2000, 05:51 PM

Correct me if my calculations are off, but since gauge works out to be the number of lead balls the diameter of the bore it takes to make a pound. (or some such thing) wouldn't that mean that a 4 gauge would be the same as 3 12 gauges dimensions in the diameter at the end of the bore?

Whoa.

I bet ammo, when or if it actually comes is going to cost a lot of $.

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Steven Mace · July 9, 2000, 12:39 AM

Bore Diameter vs. Gauge

.775" - 10ga.
.730" - 12ga.
.670" - 16ga.
.615" - 20ga.
.550" - 28ga.
.410" - 68ga.

Steve Mace

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Mulio Rex · July 9, 2000, 04:56 PM

Tula armsworks makes a 4-ga SEMI-AUTO....

Oh yeah...

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But plain.
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Correia · July 10, 2000, 02:01 PM

Thanks Steven. Thats what I was thinking of.

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Solitar · July 11, 2000, 08:50 PM

I've 10 gauge shells in Winchester Supreme® Double X Magnum 00 Buckshot and Federal Premium P109 in #4 and BB. Any reasonable sources for 10 gauge ammo? Can we reload the hulls from factory ammo? Since factory ammo does not deliver a larger load any faster than factory 3 1/2" 12 gauge, can 10 gauge hulls be loaded somewhat hotter than factory - especially for "cheap" Spanish double built in 1966.

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July 1, 2000, 08:22 PM	#1
OkieCowboy Junior Member Join Date: June 30, 2000 Location: Bokoshe, OK Posts: 2	Howdy... First post here. I would like to know where I can find a pump action riot shotgun in 10 GA. (any brand). Been looking but cannot seem to find any. Thanks, OkieLawman

July 1, 2000, 09:55 PM	#2
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	Gotta ask: why? isn't .75 caliber (12 guage) enough?

July 2, 2000, 12:52 AM	#3
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	The only 10ga. slide action shotgun I'm aware of in current production is the Browning BPS Magnum. The shortest barrel offered is 24". Do you really need a 10ga. riot shotgun? Steve Mace ------------------ After today, its all historical

July 2, 2000, 03:43 AM	#4
house Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 1999 Location: AZ/CA Posts: 369	Might want to check a Shotgun news or a Gun List. Last time i was looking in them i belive i saw 10g shotguns comeing from russia I dont no the cost. wild guess was about 400$ preaty good for a 10g now about ammo, good luck most store dont even cary that and if they do ammo is preaty darn expencive. better reload. good luck house

July 3, 2000, 01:24 PM	#5
OkieCowboy Junior Member Join Date: June 30, 2000 Location: Bokoshe, OK Posts: 2	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ctdonath: Gotta ask: why? isn't .75 caliber (12 guage) enough?[/quote]A 12 guage probly is large enough. I live in a small town where backup is approximatly 12 miles away, if there is a officer out in the next town. In 12 yrs. I have only had to fire 1-round and that was when I was carrying a 357 wheelgun, so I may never have to use the 10 gauage anyway. Unlike the cities, everone knows what we carry, a 10 gauage would just be more of a deturant. I could tell you about several occasions where a shotgun made the difference, or my dog did. I won't go into stories now or I would be here all day. Word would get out that I carried a 10 gauage, and I am good with a shotgun. The only one better than me with a shotgun at the academy was our shotgun instructor.

July 3, 2000, 01:54 PM	#6
jthuang Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2000 Posts: 823	I remember reading a review of the Ithaca Roadblocker during middle school -- I think it was in the 1986 Gun Digest or the 1986 Shotgun Digest. The biggest problem the reviewers encountered was a lack of defensive ammunition for the big 10 bore -- they could only find birdshot, finding 00 or 000 buckshot was practically impossible. If you've got a ready source of 10 gauge defensive ammunition (or a MEC press ) then you're fine. But you might want to check out the availability of social ammunition before you lay out the cash for a big 10. HTH, Justin ------------------ Justin T. Huang, Esq. late of Kennett Square, Pennsylvania

July 3, 2000, 06:24 PM	#7
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	As I recall, the Ithaca only held three rounds,and the design prevented stretching the tube. No input on the Browning pump.And, that sucker might be too heavy to move rapidly. Since you're concerend about visual effect... Maybe you should go for a nasty, black, accessorized semi auto 12, with ALL the bells whistles, fuzzy dice and fender skirts. Belt fed would be nice, too(G)...

July 4, 2000, 03:27 PM	#8
Cowboy Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 1999 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 178	Agree with OkieCowboy, In rural areas, where everybody knows you, the mere reputation of a big gun, is deterrent enough, even though it might be just as efective as a 12 Gauge, the psychological factor is there. Dave McC: The fuzzy dice might work in MD, but here in the South, we do things a little different. Cowboy [This message has been edited by Cowboy (edited July 04, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Cowboy (edited July 04, 2000).]

July 4, 2000, 03:51 PM	#9
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Last time I looked, Cowboy, the Mason Dixon line was still north of us(G).The kids think Bream filets are what's served for breakfast in Heaven, and shotguns are home owner's insurance plans. And I got as many Confederate ancestors as Union ones. Back to the guns... Something to it, knew a Trooper who packed a blue steel S&W N-Frame 45 ACP revolver, and he had carefully polished the muzzle down to bright metal, on purpose. His theory was that it made it look bigger that way, and served as a deterrent.

July 4, 2000, 08:19 PM	#10
Hueco Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 1999 Posts: 561	Here's a 4 gauge pump. http://www.tennesseeguns.com/firearms.html Unfortunately, I think the gun's only deterrence would be for you -- not wanting to pull the trigger. Hueco

July 6, 2000, 09:39 PM	#11
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Hueco, that certainly would have a deterrant effect...On killer whales and dinosaurs! What the hell would you do with such a monster! (never mind I'm already starting to think of a few things).

July 6, 2000, 10:05 PM	#12
Hueco Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 1999 Posts: 561	As the tale goes...The Russian med units used them to fix displaced shoulders. If a guy suffered one, they'd just have him shoot this puppy on the affected side (front/back)and he'd be alright. Only problem they encountered was that it tended to blow the shoulder through "fixed" and back to the OTHER side...thus re-displacing it. Yup, that's it. A more practical purpose would be a deck gun for an international boat assuming slugs are available somewhere. I cannot imagine it being shoulder-fired...oh my. Hueco

July 7, 2000, 07:44 AM	#13
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	I wonder if that 4 gauge has a swivel mount for setting it up on a boat gunnel.

July 7, 2000, 07:52 AM	#14
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	Funny. Just looking at the gun, it doesn't look any larger than a 12 or 10 ga. I'm not sure what I was expecting to see, but it just looks like a normal shotgun to me. shrug I do like the line 'ammo available soon!' That alone would deter me from the purchase. A gun with no ammo is a very high-tech club. Mike PS on the other hand, I am now officially curious what it would be like to shoot... ------------------ "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

July 7, 2000, 10:32 AM	#15
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	My shop has a Browning 10. Holy crap, that thing's HUGE. Remember, gents, when you ask "What do you need a cannon like that for," it isn't The Bill Of Needs. I have no practical purpose for a 10-gauge, or a Barrett M82 for that matter, but that isn't the point. Okie, if you can find a 10-gauge, go for it.

July 7, 2000, 01:04 PM	#16
RH Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 1999 Posts: 532	No it's not the Bill of Needs, so if ya want it go get it. Bear in mind, ammo is almost non-existent, practice will hurt like heck, follow up shots might need to be from the belly-up prone position. I'm not a criminal or a rural trouble maker, but I don't think I'd be any more deterred to know someone had a loaded 10 vs. a loaded 12 at hand. The 12 has universally unquestioned stopping power, firing any number of objects of any size from the shell. If you want something different, something exotic, something to let the locals know you're a bad@$$, go for it. I don't think it adds a bit of psychological or tactical advantage. IMHO, of course.

July 7, 2000, 01:26 PM	#17
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	A 12-guage is about as big as you can get and still be generally useable. Anything larger (10-guage, .50 BMG) is pretty specialized; such items have their place, and you're certainly free to get them (I'm debating the AR-50), but recognize what you're actually going to use it for (home defense? gawking at it?) and get something appropriate. Actually, a 20-guage is about the max anyone would need; 12-guage just happens to be so popular and still generally useable that it's still a reasonable choice. A key factor is ammo availability. 12 is very common; 10 is rare. Don't get something that you can't afford to practice with.

July 7, 2000, 04:18 PM	#18
Coinneach Staff Alumnus Join Date: February 23, 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,272	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ctdonath: Actually, a 20-guage is about the max anyone would need[/quote] Carl, don't make me come over there.

July 8, 2000, 05:22 AM	#19
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	In a quieter part of South East Asia, ca 1970, I recall shooting hand thrown clay pigeons with a MM79 grenade launcher with the Buckshot rounds. Any guesses on what the gauge would work out to?

July 8, 2000, 02:29 PM	#20
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	Conneach- To clarify the point: "Need" is one thing. "Want" is certainly something else. Neither provides an excuse for anyone to limit someone else's options. I figure I only "need" a 20 guage for defense or hunting, but I'm sticking to my 12 guage 'cuz I WANT to (mmmmm...bigger holes...) and ain't nobody gonna deny me that option.

July 8, 2000, 05:51 PM	#21
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Correct me if my calculations are off, but since gauge works out to be the number of lead balls the diameter of the bore it takes to make a pound. (or some such thing) wouldn't that mean that a 4 gauge would be the same as 3 12 gauges dimensions in the diameter at the end of the bore? Whoa. I bet ammo, when or if it actually comes is going to cost a lot of $. ------------------ Order your TFL shirts and hats now! www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37865

July 9, 2000, 12:39 AM	#22
Steven Mace Senior Member Join Date: November 15, 1999 Location: Clifton, Colorado USA Posts: 724	Bore Diameter vs. Gauge .775" - 10ga. .730" - 12ga. .670" - 16ga. .615" - 20ga. .550" - 28ga. .410" - 68ga. Steve Mace ------------------ After today, its all historical

July 9, 2000, 04:56 PM	#23
Mulio Rex Senior Member Join Date: May 23, 2000 Location: Burkesville,Kentucky Posts: 146	Tula armsworks makes a 4-ga SEMI-AUTO.... Oh yeah... ------------------ Big Guns again No speakee well But plain. --H.C

July 10, 2000, 02:01 PM	#24
Correia Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 1998 Location: SLC Utah Posts: 3,740	Thanks Steven. Thats what I was thinking of. ------------------ Order your TFL shirts and hats now! www.thefiringline.com:8080/forums/showthread.php?threadid=37865

July 11, 2000, 08:50 PM	#25
Solitar Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Location: Solitary Posts: 717	I've 10 gauge shells in Winchester Supreme® Double X Magnum 00 Buckshot and Federal Premium P109 in #4 and BB. Any reasonable sources for 10 gauge ammo? Can we reload the hulls from factory ammo? Since factory ammo does not deliver a larger load any faster than factory 3 1/2" 12 gauge, can 10 gauge hulls be loaded somewhat hotter than factory - especially for "cheap" Spanish double built in 1966.