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Old December 7, 2014, 03:56 PM   #1101
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No, I didn't. I bought it off auction and it didn't pass the gunsmith checkout, grouping poorly and with little visible rifling to stabilize the bullets. I never shot it.
Ok, fair enough. But I don't see how that changes anything in your favor. The gun is still several decades old and has been shot to the point that it's worn out. If anything, most people would feel that someone who buys a worn out used product has less claim on the manufacturer for replacement/repair than the original owner would.
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If I needed a new barrel; worth what, maybe $50 and labor; and was confronted with the news that all I could get is a new gun at $250 or more, scrapping my existing investment, to me that would be unexpected, certainly an unpleasant surprise. I don't care about arguments whether I should have been surprised. I was still surprised, certainly caught off guard and frustrated...
I understand where you're coming from. You gambled and bought a used, worn out gun thinking that the manufacturer would fix it cheaply (or maybe even free) and then that didn't work out.

If I did that, I would be disappointed too--people tend to be disappointed when they gamble and lose. But given the circumstances I certainly wouldn't feel entitled enough to that inexpensive service to complain publicly that the manufacturer was being too severe. And I would certainly feel pretty good about the manufacturer offering me a new gun at 1/2 MSRP as an alternative.

I stand by my original comment that an offer like that is actually very good. For perspective, try buying a worn out car, ask for inexpensive warranty service on it and see if the manufacturer offers to sell you a new model at 1/2 sticker price.
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Old December 7, 2014, 06:57 PM   #1102
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I stand by my original comment that an offer like that is actually very good. For perspective, try buying a worn out car, ask for inexpensive warranty service on it and see if the manufacturer offers to sell you a new model at 1/2 sticker price.
Cars don't have a keystone markup. Ruger isn't losing anything at that, so let's not overdramatize the 1/2 price offer.

You can stop trying to beat me up over this. All I wanted was a new barrel, and I haven't given up on finding one.

BTW my Police Service Six is a 38 Special. Ruger no longer offers anything comparable. The GP100 is overbuilt for 38-only. I would frankly rather put the replacement money toward something else. I sure don't need another 357, since I have, I think, seven of them.
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Old December 7, 2014, 08:33 PM   #1103
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Ruger isn't losing anything at that, so let's not overdramatize the 1/2 price offer.
So they have to lose something on the deal before you'd agree that they are offering excellent customer service? That's an unusual viewpoint. If the deal they offer you is a good one, that should be enough. It seems harsh to hold a company to the standard that they have to lose money before they can be commended for good service.
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You can stop trying to beat me up over this.
I'm not beating you up, I'm just disagreeing. This is a discussion forum, the general idea is that people bring up topics because they want to discuss them.

People who don't want to discuss topics, or can't stand the idea that someone might disagree don't post on discussion forums, they start a blog and make sure comments are disabled.
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Ruger no longer offers anything comparable.
So what, exactly, would Ruger have to do to make you happy in this situation?

Should they reimburse you for what you spent on a worn out gun?

Should they reimburse you for what it costs to have a gunsmith fix it for you?

Should they keep an inventory of guns that they no longer produce to so that they can give them away (or sell them at a loss) to people who send them worn out discontinued firearms and ask for service?

Should they tool up their factory to make a part that has been out of production for 30 years any time someone asks them to?

Should they insure that they keep a full inventory of parts for any firearm they've ever made?

If it's just a matter of money, how much money would they have to lose on the deal before you would feel satisfied?

Honestly, I really don't understand what reasonable course of action Ruger could take that you would approve of...
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Old December 7, 2014, 08:36 PM   #1104
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Honestly, I really don't understand what reasonable course of action Ruger could take that you would approve of...
And I doubt anyone would be interested in hearing what, pray tell, that might be.
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Old December 8, 2014, 08:42 AM   #1105
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And I doubt anyone would be interested in hearing what, pray tell, that might be.
Exactly. Especially not in this thread that is on a different topic.
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Old December 8, 2014, 10:33 PM   #1106
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Maybe we should get back to the topic of 327 Federal Magnum.
I like that idea. A lot.

Does anyone know (or guess) if Ruger will be making any other different models, say a 4" barreled, adjustable sight SP101 for example?

I have a 3" model and love it. It's my newest king of the hill in the safe.
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Old December 9, 2014, 07:55 AM   #1107
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Does anyone know (or guess) if Ruger will be making any other different models, say a 4" barreled, adjustable sight SP101 for example?
It has not been Ruger's initiative, only Lipsey's, who have stated an interest in the 4" SP101 as 327 Federal Magnum. Let's presume that they will use the platform of the recent 4", .357 Magnum.
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Old December 10, 2014, 03:18 PM   #1108
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It has not been Ruger's initiative, only Lipsey's, who have stated an interest in the 4" SP101 as 327 Federal Magnum. Let's presume that they will use the platform of the recent 4", .357 Magnum.
Got a link on this, or any viable reference? The gun I wanted since .327 hit the scene was a 6-shot, 4" Sp101. It seemed like the DA revolvers had barrels that were too short or ported. Sure, the GP100 was nice but if I'm gonna pack that much steel, I'll just carry a .357. The beauty of this cartridge is that it's slim and powerful, benefiting from a longer barrel and lending itself to slimmer guns. A 4" Sp101 would have been perfect!

Then again, I'm still angry that the launch of such an amazing cartridge was so thoroughly botched, leading to it being relegated to obscurity and wishful thinking just a few years after its release...
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Old December 11, 2014, 08:31 AM   #1109
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"Viable reference", like an email from Lipsey's? Yes, but I wouldn't share verbatim something sent as a personal message. It is enough to keep our hopes up, but there are no wheels in motion at this point that I know of. I believe there first has to be an evaluation of the acceptance (and sales) of the Single Seven. Personally, I think the jury is still out on that, although the sales, at least to gun shops (Lipsey's perspective), are apparently outstanding.

I have both Single Seven and SP101 in 327 and feel the SP101 is the ideal existing platform for this caliber.

The real question is what will be available in carbines for such a high velocity round. For starters I have brought it to the attention of Henry and have received an acknowledgement.

Ammo will probably be according to demand and most likely limited to big boys on the internet, where demand is more focused than at your LGS.

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Old December 11, 2014, 10:18 PM   #1110
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A 4" SP101 327 FM would be a great addition to the arsenal. I have the 357 in 4" and it is a better balanced gun. For concealed carry (which I don't do) the 3" might be preferable. I do like the 3"SP101 in 327FM....a lot.
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Old December 12, 2014, 05:40 PM   #1111
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For concealed carry (which I don't do) the 3" might be preferable. I do like the 3"SP101 in 327FM....a lot.
I like my .327 SP101 too.........a lot.

It's a great plinker, and the nieces, nephews, and my wife love it with some super hot 500 fps S&W longs.

It also sees daily use as my carry gun, replacing the 3" 1911 in .45 I used to carry.

Only thing I would change on it would to go with fully adjustable rear sight instead of the windadge only rear on it now. Works fine for a carry gun, but for target use, I would prefer some elevation adjustment as well.
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Old December 12, 2014, 09:27 PM   #1112
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6 inch GP100

It would be great to get my hands on a 6" GP100 in 327 mag. The extra sight radius along with the weight of the GP100 would make a great target revolver. I have a Blackhawk now but I am looking for a good double action. I do kick myself for passing on a 4.2" about 2 years ago. They are hard to come by now. I did send Lipsey's an email about the chances for a GP100 but no response as of yet. We can always hope.
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Old December 12, 2014, 11:00 PM   #1113
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It would be great to get my hands on a 6" GP100 in 327 mag. The extra sight radius along with the weight of the GP100 would make a great target revolver. I have a Blackhawk now but I am looking for a good double action.
Having shot my SP101, Frankenmausers wife's .327 Blackhawk, and his .327 GP100, I think the GP100 is the best all around package. My little guy works great for carry, but if I was doing it again I would go for the GP.

My preference would be for a 4" barrel (mostly for looks), but since all of them are on production hold, I think I'll be wishing for that version quite a while.
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Old December 13, 2014, 01:05 AM   #1114
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Having shot my SP101, Frankenmausers wife's .327 Blackhawk, and his .327 GP100, I think the GP100 is the best all around package. My little guy works great for carry, but if I was doing it again I would go for the GP.
She laid claim to the GP100 and says the Blackhawk is mine, now.
I have not relinquished title to said GP, though. I wasn't expecting to, but I really came to like it much more than the Blackhawk.
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Old December 18, 2014, 07:42 PM   #1115
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Maybe a Lipseys GP100 in the future...

As I posted earlier, I emailed Lipsey's about the possibility of a 6" GP-100 in 327. Here is the response I got:

There is a chance. Now that everyone sees that the 327 is a viable round in the right gun it is easier to get that one done. The holdup is production time right now. We have some other revolver projects in the queue so it might take a little while. We have discussed other 327 platforms recently with Ruger and they are open to ideas. Stay tuned!

Only time will tell.
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Old December 18, 2014, 09:21 PM   #1116
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Now THAT is promising.

Damn.........just when I thought the safe was full......
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Old December 19, 2014, 06:08 AM   #1117
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I'm still looking for a Ruger 77/22 Hornet or 77/357 to convert to .327 Federal (77/22H preferred).

If anyone has any leads on a donor (preferably dirt cheap, due to abuse and neglect), please let me know.

All I really need is a solid action with all of the bottom metal. A stock and rings would be nice, but the action is the important bit...
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Old December 19, 2014, 08:19 AM   #1118
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well with the GP-100 6" 327 Fed Mag news, why not a Redhawk 8 or 9 shot, with a 4.2" bbl.
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Old December 19, 2014, 08:30 AM   #1119
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Let's not make this another thread about ridiculous fantasy guns and detract from serious ownership and interest. A Redhawk 327 is really out there. What would one shoot with it and why? Why would any manufacturer or distributor think they could sell such a gun. Many of the oddball guns are spawned by competitions. To which one might a 327 FM Redhawk belong?

I say this as one who owns a $750+ .22, 10 shot SW 617. Pretty crazy, right, except that it is an awesome match gun.
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Old December 19, 2014, 02:07 PM   #1120
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This is the .327 Federal Club thread. If YOU don't like the subject discussion matter, GO AWAY!
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Old December 19, 2014, 02:44 PM   #1121
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Who are you addressing? Are you in charge here? How about some specifics?

BTW I have two 327 Federal Magnums, so don't leap to conclusions. Take responsibility for your own inferences.

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Old December 19, 2014, 06:37 PM   #1122
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I wish Ruger would chamber their LCR in .327 similar to the new one that has a longer barrel and exposed hammer.
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Old December 20, 2014, 12:32 AM   #1123
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I have probably a stupid question but what would a .327 mag be good to used for pertaining to hunting. What type of game would this be good on I am asking because a local gun shop has a Ruger Single seven with a 5 1/2" barrel. I am very interested in this cartridge but I use all my guns for hunting. I know that this was designed for a self defense round but from what I can tell about it it could also shine as a general small game to medium game (Deer) cartridge but I have never shot one so this opinion is based on what I have read about the cartridge. Thanks
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Old December 20, 2014, 01:19 AM   #1124
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well Real Gun you sorta answered your own question about a Redhawk in 327 mag with your comment about the S&W M617, except it being 327 mag vs 22. also i think a 8-9 shot 4.2 bbl Redhawk would make for an awesome woodsgun, heck some folks use a 22lr for a woodsgun, and there nothing wrong with that as long they're comfortable with using a 22lr for a woodsgun, and the 327 is supposed to be a low recoiling cal, i bet in a Redhawk frame, it would be a no recoil proposition, thus would probably be super accurate and flat shooting wheelgun. also i wouldn't so much call a 327 mag Redhawk a"fantasy gun", because Ruger did make 357mag Redhawks, and if they wanted to they could make 327 mag Redhawks, if there was enough interest from the gun buying public, and yes i understand that it would be a "niche" segment of the market, but there is still interest in such a gun.
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Old December 20, 2014, 03:19 AM   #1125
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I don't know much about handgun hunting so I'm also curious if people have experience with a .327 they'd like to share. It's really a shame that so much of the focus was on self-defense and a rifle wasn't offered. I've made a few comments about poor execution that are largely unchallenged. This is such a cool cartridge and it was never really given the chance to find its place. I hope that changes but I'm not holding my breath. Every day without a new gun being produced in .327 is another step into obscurity. If we're gonna make this happen, we've gotta snap at these limited runs, buy some factory ammo, take it out when you shoot with friends, and contact distributors and manufacturers about our interest. Let them smell some demand.
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