Cruz/ Paul/ Rubio Filibuster defeated in senate

dakota.potts · April 12, 2013, 12:43 AM

So, the filibuster was ended today by a vote of 68-31

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...-in-senate.ece

19 Republicans crossed party lines to vote down the filibuster.

However, the point the article makes is that many who wanted the filibuster quashed do not disagree with the end result, just the method of getting there.

If we consider that they have 68 votes with 19 Republican dissenters, and they need 59 votes before Biden (I believe, somebody please correct me if wrong) then, to make things very simple, if half of the Republican dissenters oppose the bill, it should not pass.

Anyways, the very simplistic point that I'm making is that, although the filibuster was defeated, I remain hopeful that the bill will also be defeated as many senators it seems have voted against it on principle rather than the actual message.

What do you guys think?

fragtagninja · April 12, 2013, 01:00 AM

I think things seem a little uncertain these days and that we should be concerned and proactive in getting the truth out to people and our leaders.

press1280 · April 12, 2013, 03:31 AM

AFAIK Biden only votes to break a 50-50 tie, not to vote to try to get to 60 votes.

dakota.potts · April 12, 2013, 03:39 AM

Does that mean it would only be effective on an amendment vote then? I thought they needed 60 to pass a bill but only 50 to amend

**Spats McGee** · April 12, 2013, 06:17 AM

This is already under fairly heavy discussion here.

April 12, 2013, 12:43 AM	#1
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Cruz/ Paul/ Rubio Filibuster defeated in senate So, the filibuster was ended today by a vote of 68-31 http://www.dallasnews.com/news/polit...-in-senate.ece 19 Republicans crossed party lines to vote down the filibuster. However, the point the article makes is that many who wanted the filibuster quashed do not disagree with the end result, just the method of getting there. If we consider that they have 68 votes with 19 Republican dissenters, and they need 59 votes before Biden (I believe, somebody please correct me if wrong) then, to make things very simple, if half of the Republican dissenters oppose the bill, it should not pass. Anyways, the very simplistic point that I'm making is that, although the filibuster was defeated, I remain hopeful that the bill will also be defeated as many senators it seems have voted against it on principle rather than the actual message. What do you guys think?

April 12, 2013, 06:17 AM	#5
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	This is already under fairly heavy discussion here. __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

April 12, 2013, 01:00 AM	#2
fragtagninja Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2013 Posts: 194	I think things seem a little uncertain these days and that we should be concerned and proactive in getting the truth out to people and our leaders.

April 12, 2013, 03:31 AM	#3
press1280 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2012 Posts: 228	AFAIK Biden only votes to break a 50-50 tie, not to vote to try to get to 60 votes.

April 12, 2013, 03:39 AM	#4
dakota.potts Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2013 Location: Keystone Heights, Florida Posts: 3,084	Does that mean it would only be effective on an amendment vote then? I thought they needed 60 to pass a bill but only 50 to amend