Would this be legal?

czc3513 · February 21, 2006, 06:43 PM

I made this with mswpaint and a couple pix from the internet.
Its not perfect but I was short on time.
Would something like this be legal without a permit?
What if the bike powers a generater that powers a engine that pulls a trigger really fast?
I bet that there is a legal way around the full auto ban.

WillBrayjr · February 21, 2006, 06:55 PM

Why waste your time? Check out: www.pipersprecisionproducts.com if you want a minigun. They build a variety of miniguns with no paperwork required.

Johnny Guest · February 21, 2006, 09:19 PM

Q: " Would something like this be legal without a permit?"

A: No.

With the application of motor power to a Gatling gun, it becomes a machine gun. Just closing the switch or engaging the clutch to apply power constitutes "a single operation of the firing device."

For a minute there, I thought you'd had the same idea that crossed my mind many years ago: Turning the barrels by human power through the operation of pedals. It never fascinated me enough to explore the legalitiy of such. I was more charmed at the idea of a half-sized reproduction of the classic Gatling Police Gun, complete with both artillery carriage and tripod mount. THAT, we know is legal.

Unfortunately, it is also quite expensive by the time you pay someone to do the intensive machine work required.

Best,
Johnny

czc3513 · February 21, 2006, 09:45 PM

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With the application of motor power to a Gatling gun, it becomes a machine gun.

What if there was no motor?

VUPDblue · February 21, 2006, 10:19 PM

The way I understand it, anything other than your hand actually operating the crank device is a "motor". ie: The bicycle apparatus would thereby be considered the "motor"

CobrayCommando · February 21, 2006, 10:23 PM

You know I feel sorry for you guys in this forum...

czc3513 · February 21, 2006, 10:48 PM

O well....
Thanks for the input.

mxwelch · February 22, 2006, 07:27 AM

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The way I understand it, anything other than your hand actually operating the crank device is a "motor". ie: The bicycle apparatus would thereby be considered the "motor"

I might be wrong but I don't believe that is correct. As long as effort is made to fire each shot it's legal. A bike apparatus is just another form of a crank.

czc3513 · February 22, 2006, 09:31 PM

I would look it up on the ATF website....
But, I dont want to.

CypherNinja · February 22, 2006, 10:27 PM

I dare someone to write a letter to the ATF about this........

czc3513 · February 22, 2006, 10:29 PM

Do they answer emails?

mxwelch · February 22, 2006, 10:46 PM

Isn't that guy one of the "poser patrol" form the cell phone commercial?

xjmox14x · February 22, 2006, 10:53 PM

i'm not paying $7000 for a bb gun

VUPDblue · February 22, 2006, 11:39 PM

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I might be wrong but I don't believe that is correct. As long as effort is made to fire each shot it's legal. A bike apparatus is just another form of a crank

This seems to be a very interesting quandry. My take on the law here is that any device that is entered into the firing equation makes for a "motor" whether it is a man-powered or electric powered device. ie: if you hooked your 18V DeWalt to the crank, that is an illegal motor b/c the act of pulling the "trigger" of the drill makes it the trigger for the whole system even though the operation is not changed. Seriously, though, we need to get BATFE to settle this. Maybe I will attach a letter with my next Form 4...think they would answer...?

WillBrayjr · February 23, 2006, 08:43 AM

Better paying the $5,600.00 for a bb gun then paying several thousand more for the experiment and possibly getting charged with a 10 year/$10,000.00 felony where big bubba could ream you a new southernhole. I'd rather pay the $5,600.00 instead and will if I ever get the money

February 21, 2006, 06:43 PM	#1
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	Would this be legal? I made this with mswpaint and a couple pix from the internet. Its not perfect but I was short on time. Would something like this be legal without a permit? What if the bike powers a generater that powers a engine that pulls a trigger really fast? I bet that there is a legal way around the full auto ban. __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 21, 2006, 09:19 PM	#3
Johnny Guest Moderator in Memoriam Join Date: August 28, 1999 Location: North Texas Posts: 4,123	Q & A Q: " Would something like this be legal without a permit?" A: No. With the application of motor power to a Gatling gun, it becomes a machine gun. Just closing the switch or engaging the clutch to apply power constitutes "a single operation of the firing device." For a minute there, I thought you'd had the same idea that crossed my mind many years ago: Turning the barrels by human power through the operation of pedals. It never fascinated me enough to explore the legalitiy of such. I was more charmed at the idea of a half-sized reproduction of the classic Gatling Police Gun, complete with both artillery carriage and tripod mount. THAT, we know is legal. Unfortunately, it is also quite expensive by the time you pay someone to do the intensive machine work required. Best, Johnny

February 21, 2006, 10:19 PM	#5
VUPDblue Senior Member Join Date: December 18, 2005 Location: Central Indiana Posts: 1,981	The way I understand it, anything other than your hand actually operating the crank device is a "motor". ie: The bicycle apparatus would thereby be considered the "motor" __________________ Silencers have NEVER been illegal !

February 21, 2006, 10:48 PM	#7
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	O well.... Thanks for the input. __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 22, 2006, 09:31 PM	#9
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	I would look it up on the ATF website.... But, I dont want to. __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 21, 2006, 06:55 PM	#2
WillBrayjr Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	Why waste your time? Check out: www.pipersprecisionproducts.com if you want a minigun. They build a variety of miniguns with no paperwork required.

February 21, 2006, 10:23 PM	#6
CobrayCommando Junior member Join Date: November 21, 2004 Posts: 1,631	You know I feel sorry for you guys in this forum...

February 22, 2006, 10:27 PM	#10
CypherNinja Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 114	I dare someone to write a letter to the ATF about this........ __________________ -"Those who would sacrifice a little Liberty for more Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin -"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." -James Madison "Violent videogames don't make kids violent. Hard games do."

February 22, 2006, 10:29 PM	#11
czc3513 Senior Member Join Date: September 4, 2005 Location: Oregon. Posts: 709	Do they answer emails? __________________ "HEDP: High Explosive Donkey Punch"

February 22, 2006, 10:46 PM	#12
mxwelch Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2006 Posts: 379	Isn't that guy one of the "poser patrol" form the cell phone commercial?

February 22, 2006, 10:53 PM	#13
xjmox14x Member Join Date: January 21, 2006 Location: NY Posts: 98	i'm not paying $7000 for a bb gun

February 23, 2006, 08:43 AM	#15
WillBrayjr Junior member Join Date: September 26, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 1,881	Better paying the $5,600.00 for a bb gun then paying several thousand more for the experiment and possibly getting charged with a 10 year/$10,000.00 felony where big bubba could ream you a new southernhole. I'd rather pay the $5,600.00 instead and will if I ever get the money