Interesting box of ammo - Page 3

**Mike Irwin** · January 15, 2014, 08:03 AM

I THINK Navy Arms started offering some of the obsolete cartridges in the middle to late 1970s, but I'm not sure about that.

**Mike Irwin** · January 15, 2014, 08:09 AM

There also was at least an attempt at a .41 Extra Long Rimfire cartridge.

http://www.oldammo.com/may09.htm

Apparently never really made it to commercial production.

spacecoast · January 15, 2014, 08:15 AM

Found this thread about the Naval Arms .41RF... and a warning that it may be hotter than the old-time Black Powder rounds. I'm not sure where the Peters ammo would fall in the power spectrum.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/ind...?topic=25828.0

This company sells the NA rounds for $3.75 apiece... and the Peters for $9.95 per round

Hence my claim that the ammo may be worth more than the gun...

http://www.ammo-one.com/41-SHORT-R-F.html

James K · January 15, 2014, 08:29 PM

Very interesting, Mike, and thanks. I knew about the Otis Smith revolvers but always assumed that the ".41 Rimfire" cited as one of the calibers was .41 RF Long. At least they didn't call it the ".41 Rimfire Magnum."

Jim

**Mike Irwin** · January 16, 2014, 08:12 AM

Ammo one has some interesting cartridges, but their prices are quite high.

Bob Wright · January 16, 2014, 09:47 AM

As a matter of interest, I saw two boxes of .41 Short r.f. at the Memphis Gun Show last Saturday. Whether they were full or not I can't say. They both were the old Remington green boxes with the red stripe.

Bob Wright

**Mike Irwin** · January 16, 2014, 10:27 AM

.41 rimfire is one of the more commonly seen boxes at gunshows and in collections. Just how often it is seen is a testament to just how widespread and popular the guns were, even if they weren't very effective.

spacecoast · January 16, 2014, 10:56 AM

I'm definitely going to have to look for it at a local gunshow. I'd like to try a round or two in the little Colt.

James K · January 16, 2014, 12:20 PM

A couple of years ago, I bought a Moore teat-fire at a gun show. I don't know why, but the dealer gave me a funny look when I asked if he would throw in a box of ammo.

Jim

**Mike Irwin** · January 16, 2014, 01:07 PM

The .32 is expensive, but the .45 is just insanely priced.

I've seen one box of .45 teat fire in the years I've been haunting gun and cartridge shows, and it was 5 figures...

There are very few Moore .45 teatfire revolvers in existence, too. Horst Held firearms auctions had one advertised for $13,500.

James K · January 16, 2014, 01:17 PM

According to Suydam, the .45 came in two versions, with and without a crimp, and in 25 round boxes.

Jim

**Mike Irwin** · January 16, 2014, 01:46 PM

Good luck finding either kind!

Bob Wright · January 16, 2014, 04:30 PM

As a matter of further interest, I have a couple of .41 Short r.f. cartridges, no box, which I assume are Western Cartridge Co. They are typical, copper cased with copper plated "Luballoy" bullets and the "H" headstamp.

These were found in a cigar box in an old hardware store on the (then) edge of town.

Hardware stores used to sell a cylinder full, or a couple of rounds, from a box. After many years the remaining cartridges from that box were dumped into an old cigar box, or some such receptacle.

Bob Wright

January 15, 2014, 08:03 AM	#51
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	I THINK Navy Arms started offering some of the obsolete cartridges in the middle to late 1970s, but I'm not sure about that. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 15, 2014, 08:09 AM	#52
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	There also was at least an attempt at a .41 Extra Long Rimfire cartridge. http://www.oldammo.com/may09.htm Apparently never really made it to commercial production. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 15, 2014, 08:15 AM	#53
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	Found this thread about the Naval Arms .41RF... and a warning that it may be hotter than the old-time Black Powder rounds. I'm not sure where the Peters ammo would fall in the power spectrum. http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/ind...?topic=25828.0 This company sells the NA rounds for $3.75 apiece... and the Peters for $9.95 per round Hence my claim that the ammo may be worth more than the gun... http://www.ammo-one.com/41-SHORT-R-F.html Last edited by spacecoast; January 15, 2014 at 08:24 AM.

January 16, 2014, 08:12 AM	#55
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	Ammo one has some interesting cartridges, but their prices are quite high. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 16, 2014, 10:27 AM	#57
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	.41 rimfire is one of the more commonly seen boxes at gunshows and in collections. Just how often it is seen is a testament to just how widespread and popular the guns were, even if they weren't very effective. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 15, 2014, 08:29 PM	#54
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Very interesting, Mike, and thanks. I knew about the Otis Smith revolvers but always assumed that the ".41 Rimfire" cited as one of the calibers was .41 RF Long. At least they didn't call it the ".41 Rimfire Magnum." Jim

January 16, 2014, 09:47 AM	#56
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 2,989	As a matter of interest, I saw two boxes of .41 Short r.f. at the Memphis Gun Show last Saturday. Whether they were full or not I can't say. They both were the old Remington green boxes with the red stripe. Bob Wright

January 16, 2014, 10:56 AM	#58
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	I'm definitely going to have to look for it at a local gunshow. I'd like to try a round or two in the little Colt.

January 16, 2014, 12:20 PM	#59
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	A couple of years ago, I bought a Moore teat-fire at a gun show. I don't know why, but the dealer gave me a funny look when I asked if he would throw in a box of ammo. Jim

January 16, 2014, 01:07 PM	#60
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	The .32 is expensive, but the .45 is just insanely priced. I've seen one box of .45 teat fire in the years I've been haunting gun and cartridge shows, and it was 5 figures... There are very few Moore .45 teatfire revolvers in existence, too. Horst Held firearms auctions had one advertised for $13,500. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 16, 2014, 01:17 PM	#61
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	According to Suydam, the .45 came in two versions, with and without a crimp, and in 25 round boxes. Jim

January 16, 2014, 01:46 PM	#62
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,389	Good luck finding either kind! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 16, 2014, 04:30 PM	#63
Bob Wright Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2012 Location: Memphis, Tennessee Posts: 2,989	As a matter of further interest, I have a couple of .41 Short r.f. cartridges, no box, which I assume are Western Cartridge Co. They are typical, copper cased with copper plated "Luballoy" bullets and the "H" headstamp. These were found in a cigar box in an old hardware store on the (then) edge of town. Hardware stores used to sell a cylinder full, or a couple of rounds, from a box. After many years the remaining cartridges from that box were dumped into an old cigar box, or some such receptacle. Bob Wright