ANOTHER Antique Pocket Pistol..... ID Needed

Vanguard41xx · July 8, 2011, 07:58 PM

So, I found out information on my Colt, so I need help with this one. It has scroll work all over it, NO sign of any other markings..... Again, it has been in the family since the late 1800's. I have never seen one like this. I'm assuming European, but this is just an observation. It also looks like it is missing the loading gate. So, again, any information you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thank you gents.

HottAK47 · July 8, 2011, 08:14 PM

I guess you already know its a pin fire. Have you looked real hard for Belgian proof marks?

Jim Watson · July 8, 2011, 08:14 PM

Well, it is a pinfire of which the Zhuk book shows 25 different varieties with folding triggers without coming close to covering the industry of the day.
Lacking proofmarks or trademarks, there is not much to be said.

Vanguard41xx · July 8, 2011, 08:17 PM

I could look again. Anywhere specific that usually has a proof mark?

tater134 · July 8, 2011, 10:57 PM

That's a neat looking pinfire revolver. Its too bad its missing the loading gate. It was most likely made in France or Belgium. Many pinfire revolvers were imported from Europe during the US civil war and were purchased by soldiers on both sides.

AaronN322 · July 8, 2011, 11:21 PM

The "crown over the L" proof in the first picture , and the "crown over R" in the second are Belgian inspector marks. This also narrows it down to being made between 1853 - 1877. Probably closer to 77 than 53.

Also, it appears to be 7mm (which I have ammo for if you want some to display with it.)

As for the other proof marks, look for an "ELG in an oval" on the back of the cylinder as you are looking in from where the loading gate would be as you rotate it.

SDC · July 9, 2011, 07:20 AM

There appears to be a name engraved in one of the whorls on top of the barrel; as said, if this is Belgian, there will be an "ELG" proof on the rear of the cylinder.

Vanguard41xx · July 10, 2011, 08:41 PM

Thanks guys. I'll look tomorrow.

James K · July 10, 2011, 08:55 PM

The Crown/L indicates Belgian proof of a gun not made in Belgium, so I doubt the ELG is present. The quality (?) engraving says Spanish to me. That kind of bench engraving added a whole $.25 (or the equivalent) to the cost of a gun in that time period.

Value? Maybe $150. If intact, I would say $200.

Jim

July 8, 2011, 07:58 PM	#1
Vanguard41xx Junior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 10	ANOTHER Antique Pocket Pistol..... ID Needed So, I found out information on my Colt, so I need help with this one. It has scroll work all over it, NO sign of any other markings..... Again, it has been in the family since the late 1800's. I have never seen one like this. I'm assuming European, but this is just an observation. It also looks like it is missing the loading gate. So, again, any information you can give me is greatly appreciated. Thank you gents.

July 8, 2011, 11:21 PM	#6
AaronN322 Member Join Date: May 3, 2011 Posts: 15	The "crown over the L" proof in the first picture , and the "crown over R" in the second are Belgian inspector marks. This also narrows it down to being made between 1853 - 1877. Probably closer to 77 than 53. Also, it appears to be 7mm (which I have ammo for if you want some to display with it.) As for the other proof marks, look for an "ELG in an oval" on the back of the cylinder as you are looking in from where the loading gate would be as you rotate it. __________________ www.FreeMyCollection.com

July 9, 2011, 07:20 AM	#7
SDC Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2001 Location: People's Republic of Kanada Posts: 1,652	There appears to be a name engraved in one of the whorls on top of the barrel; as said, if this is Belgian, there will be an "ELG" proof on the rear of the cylinder. __________________ Gun control in Canada: making the streets safer for rapists, muggers, and other violent criminals since 1936.

July 8, 2011, 08:14 PM	#2
HottAK47 Member Join Date: January 6, 2011 Posts: 29	I guess you already know its a pin fire. Have you looked real hard for Belgian proof marks?

July 8, 2011, 08:14 PM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,536	Well, it is a pinfire of which the Zhuk book shows 25 different varieties with folding triggers without coming close to covering the industry of the day. Lacking proofmarks or trademarks, there is not much to be said.

July 8, 2011, 08:17 PM	#4
Vanguard41xx Junior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 10	I could look again. Anywhere specific that usually has a proof mark?

July 8, 2011, 10:57 PM	#5
tater134 Senior Member Join Date: August 22, 2009 Location: NE,PA Posts: 390	That's a neat looking pinfire revolver. Its too bad its missing the loading gate. It was most likely made in France or Belgium. Many pinfire revolvers were imported from Europe during the US civil war and were purchased by soldiers on both sides.

July 10, 2011, 08:41 PM	#8
Vanguard41xx Junior Member Join Date: May 6, 2011 Posts: 10	Thanks guys. I'll look tomorrow.

July 10, 2011, 08:55 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The Crown/L indicates Belgian proof of a gun not made in Belgium, so I doubt the ELG is present. The quality (?) engraving says Spanish to me. That kind of bench engraving added a whole $.25 (or the equivalent) to the cost of a gun in that time period. Value? Maybe $150. If intact, I would say $200. Jim