Belgian Colt 1860 Army

Doc Hoy · February 16, 2009, 03:07 PM

Experts,

I came up with a Belgian (Hanquet, Centaure, 1960 New Model Army) replica 1860 Colt Army (.44) steel frame at a gun show a couple months ago. Pistol is only in fair condition but I got it cheap.

It is with a gunsmith who is going to tighten it up. He has experience with these specific pistols.

In the mean time I got involved with some enthusiasts who run a discussion board from Belgium on this pistol. Not surprisingly they speak very highly of the pistol.

The serial number on the weapon is 952 and everything matches. These guys know of only one in existence with a lower serial number, somewhere in the 400s if I remember correctly.

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this pistol and can compare it's traits with the Italian made clones.

Hawg · February 16, 2009, 03:39 PM

When Bootsie comes around he can tell you all about it.

Smokin_Gun · February 17, 2009, 12:29 AM

Doc it was good to see you there today...

#26 I got a couple Centaures, SN767, & SN925, 1960 Birth dates...

SG

Bootsie · February 17, 2009, 02:38 AM

Doc Hoy: check www.1960nma.org. That is the Centaure website. If you have not done so please, download the questionaire from the website and submit the specific data of your pistol to be included in the Centaure survey.
These pistols were produced between 1959 and 1973, some 16000 only made in 4 models. The lowest S/N known is #38. Your #952 was made ca.1961.
Bootsie aka Long Johns Wolf

Doc Hoy · February 17, 2009, 07:00 AM

To Smokin Gun,

Can you give me a comparison between the Centaure and the Italian jobs?

Indeed I have seen your posts on the site. Did not make the connection until now. I was thinking, "Hmmmm smokin gun looks familiar"

I posted a diatribe on casting bullets for a guy who wanted information but got few responses. Perhaps it was too long. Hope none of it was wrong. I don't have any sanctioned training, just my own observations.

For Bootsie,

Yes, I have joined the club, filled out the form, and been on the discussion board a coupla times. I am member number 34. I think they have 34 members.

Also nice to make the connection between "Bootsie" and "LJW."

Smokin_Gun · February 17, 2009, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Can you give me a comparison between the Centaure and the Italian jobs?

Yeah I can give you my opinion Doc...
As compared to Itailian C&B Revs the Belgium Centaures are made of a harder gun steel, and known to interchange parts with a original Colt Rev with a better fit than the Italian counter parts.
On the time line and History they are before the 2nd gen Colts. As far as Historically tied to an original Licence with Sam Colt 1853 FAUL Mfg. Belgium
this goes back to the same Plant that Mfg'd Walker, Dragoons and 1851 Navys during the Civil War.(don't quote me on the exact date.) THE 1960 Centaure came about in 1960 as the 1860 Colt this one was not made during the Civil War Period. But by FAUL the same people.
Centaures had they're qwerks, and fixes ...same as Italian Revs ... some are better than others.

Doc Hoy · February 17, 2009, 10:23 AM

SG,

Thanks for the info as regards relative attributes. As I mentioned earlier,I have mine with a gunsmith (although he has not acknowledge receipt of the pistol yet) for rehab.

I can't wait to get it back.

Smokin_Gun · February 17, 2009, 06:02 PM

Doc did your Centaure go to Ohio?

SG

Doc Hoy · February 17, 2009, 08:35 PM

SG,

Sent it off to Warsaw. He and I have been speaking about it for some time.

I sent it off last week priority but I have not heard from him and the emails I am sending come back "undeliverable"

I am going to call him tomorrow if I don't get word before then.

Smokin_Gun · February 17, 2009, 11:27 PM

He got it USPS topday Doc...
Call um to talk to him ... one a his hounds put the lights out on his computer...

SG

Doc Hoy · February 18, 2009, 08:23 AM

SG,

Thanks for the heads-up. I need to speak to him anyway. I have only ever emailed but never talked directly.

mykeal · February 18, 2009, 08:31 AM

Should have spent more time ear scratching and less time surfing.

Doc Hoy · February 18, 2009, 01:14 PM

SG, you were right. I thought you were joshing me but his dog did hose up his computer.

Chewing on the surge protector I think.

Dog's name is "Sparky"

trailgator · February 18, 2009, 03:02 PM

Quote:

but his dog did hose up his computer

Tell me you're speaking figuratively, and not literally.

Doc Hoy · February 18, 2009, 04:05 PM

Trailgator,

At least I hope so. At any rate, its broke.

February 16, 2009, 03:07 PM	#1
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Belgian Colt 1860 Army Experts, I came up with a Belgian (Hanquet, Centaure, 1960 New Model Army) replica 1860 Colt Army (.44) steel frame at a gun show a couple months ago. Pistol is only in fair condition but I got it cheap. It is with a gunsmith who is going to tighten it up. He has experience with these specific pistols. In the mean time I got involved with some enthusiasts who run a discussion board from Belgium on this pistol. Not surprisingly they speak very highly of the pistol. The serial number on the weapon is 952 and everything matches. These guys know of only one in existence with a lower serial number, somewhere in the 400s if I remember correctly. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this pistol and can compare it's traits with the Italian made clones. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath. Last edited by Doc Hoy; February 16, 2009 at 03:36 PM. Reason: redundancy

February 17, 2009, 07:00 AM	#5
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Smokin Gun and Bootsie To Smokin Gun, Can you give me a comparison between the Centaure and the Italian jobs? Indeed I have seen your posts on the site. Did not make the connection until now. I was thinking, "Hmmmm smokin gun looks familiar" I posted a diatribe on casting bullets for a guy who wanted information but got few responses. Perhaps it was too long. Hope none of it was wrong. I don't have any sanctioned training, just my own observations. For Bootsie, Yes, I have joined the club, filled out the form, and been on the discussion board a coupla times. I am member number 34. I think they have 34 members. Also nice to make the connection between "Bootsie" and "LJW." __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 17, 2009, 10:23 AM	#7
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Thanks SG, Thanks for the info as regards relative attributes. As I mentioned earlier,I have mine with a gunsmith (although he has not acknowledge receipt of the pistol yet) for rehab. I can't wait to get it back. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 17, 2009, 06:02 PM	#8
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Doc did your Centaure go to Ohio? SG __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

February 17, 2009, 11:27 PM	#10
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	He got it USPS topday Doc... Call um to talk to him ... one a his hounds put the lights out on his computer... SG __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

February 16, 2009, 03:39 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	When Bootsie comes around he can tell you all about it.

February 17, 2009, 12:29 AM	#3
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Doc it was good to see you there today... #26 I got a couple Centaures, SN767, & SN925, 1960 Birth dates... SG __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

February 17, 2009, 02:38 AM	#4
Bootsie Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2007 Location: Hofheim/Germany Posts: 102	Doc Hoy: check www.1960nma.org. That is the Centaure website. If you have not done so please, download the questionaire from the website and submit the specific data of your pistol to be included in the Centaure survey. These pistols were produced between 1959 and 1973, some 16000 only made in 4 models. The lowest S/N known is #38. Your #952 was made ca.1961. Bootsie aka Long Johns Wolf

February 17, 2009, 08:35 PM	#9
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Yep SG, Sent it off to Warsaw. He and I have been speaking about it for some time. I sent it off last week priority but I have not heard from him and the emails I am sending come back "undeliverable" I am going to call him tomorrow if I don't get word before then. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 18, 2009, 08:23 AM	#11
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Dog gone it! SG, Thanks for the heads-up. I need to speak to him anyway. I have only ever emailed but never talked directly. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 18, 2009, 08:31 AM	#12
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Should have spent more time ear scratching and less time surfing.

February 18, 2009, 01:14 PM	#13
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	SG was right SG, you were right. I thought you were joshing me but his dog did hose up his computer. Chewing on the surge protector I think. Dog's name is "Sparky" __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 18, 2009, 04:05 PM	#15
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	I think so Trailgator, At least I hope so. At any rate, its broke. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

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