please help with .35remington load

[jmorga10]

hey im just starting handloading and want to load a .357 hp in my .35remington brass ive read a little on it but cant find much info on the subject.
these are the bullets i was thinking about using
hornady
158 Gr. HP-XTP
180 Gr. HP-XTP
magtech
158 Gr. SJHP
winchester
158 Gr. JHP

if possible id like loads using imr4895 as i have it on hand. and as you can see id prefer not to drop below 158gr bullets and dont want unjacketed lead. the 180gr really interests me as i like a little heavier bullets. please any help from the sages for a noob guys?

[458winshooter]

The Hornady reloading manual does give some info on the 158's but not the 180's.My manual is older ( 5th edition ) so maybe a newer one has some on it.They only list 5 powders for the 158's and the one you ask about is not one of them.2400,H-4227,AA 2015 BR,IMR-3031,and VIHT N-135 are all it lists.


















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[jmorga10]

thanks 458win. id still appreciate the data for those 158's if you dont mind if i cant find data with imr4895 ill just save that and get one of the powders you listed.

[.45 Vet]

I loaded some 125JHP's a few years ago with IMR3031 for my .35 pump-gun. Just for curiosity. Bit of a warning, pistole bullets at rifle velocity were explosive on water-jugs.

Might be ok for pests/vermin, but if you plan on hunting with them, I fear you're going to ruin a lot of meat...

[jmorga10]

hey vet yeah i figured that kind of performance from the lighter .357 bullets but how do you think some thing like a
"hornady 180gr jhp xtp"or "hornady 158gr jhp xtp"
they say they perform and hold together good till 2200fps. if thats not enough maybe i could try to find some of the 200gr jhps that would probably slow it down enough to make it perform right ya think?

[saudst]

jmorga,

I have a Marlin 336 I load pistol bullets in some times but I've never used 4895. However, my Speer #10 manual shows 35gr. start and 39gr. max. for a 158gr. bullet. It also shows 33gr. start and 37gr. max for their 180 gr. flat point.

I've loaded the 140gr. JHP and 125gr. JHP with Reloader 7 for the 2600-2700fps velocity for varmits. As another poster said, these loads are very explosive, i.e. alot of fun on water jugs and varmits. If you don't mind telling, what gun are you loading this for and what will you expect from it. I have loaded many different bullets for this round for 26 years and maybe I can help with one of the other loads I have had luck with. I will add this, my Marlin is anceint so I don't know if this holds true for all of them, but the feed mechinisim is sensetive to OAL and I have to cycle one to the chamber and only put 1 more in the mag. or it will let part of the second cartrage from the mag. out and jam the action.

Hope this helps and welcome to reloading.

[saudst]

This bullet costs a little more, but flys a lot flatter and is designed for the 2200fps velocity. For hog, whitetail on up, this one would penetrate better.

[jmorga10]

saudst
Posts: 95

35 Rem loads
jmorga,

I have a Marlin 336 I load pistol bullets in some times but I've never used 4895. However, my Speer #10 manual shows 35gr. start and 39gr. max. for a 158gr. bullet. It also shows 33gr. start and 37gr. max for their 180 gr. flat point.

ahhhh very interesting saudst just for clarification and safety the above loads are using imr4895 right? and so if 33-37 grains is the working range for the 180gr flat point do you think 33 grains would be a safe starter for use with the 180hp? oh by the way i am also loading for the marlin 336rc so your data should be very relevant and helpful to me. thank you. but still would like to hear your opinion on the 33gr as a starting charge for the 180gr hp.

sorry forgot to say what i expect of the round i just want a decent round to shoot around with and shoot targets and maybe some jello or reams of wet paper so i can dig the slug out and examine it not really hunting unless jello and paper ream tests give good results mainly just a plinker.

[saudst]

Sorry about that, the data is for IMR 4895. I would not suggest you interchange any data for a different bullet. Have you tried contacting the suplier about data? Most of the time they will be glad to give data if they have it, or a source for it.

[jmorga10]

yes saudst i contacted a mfgr or 2 after i made that last post and a couple of them had data similar to yours but still nothing with a 180jhp but i think im gonna pick up some 158jhps and load a small batch of those. how did that round perform for you in your 336.by the way i love my 336 had it for about 5 years and my dad probably had it for 15 before that but i dont know how old it is. within its category of gun id rate it 9 out of 10. how you like the gun?

[crowbeaner]

The last 35 Rem. rounds I reloaded had a 200 grain RP softpoint RN and 39.5 of IMR 4064. They shot 1 inch groups at 100 yards from a Marlin levergun. If I had to load 180s, I'd try some H335 and H4895. Bear in mind that peestol bullets are .357 and rifle bullets are .358, so accuracy might not be the greatest. If you slow them down a bit so they grip the rifling better, they may shoot acceptably.

[jmorga10]

ohhh thats right you didnt try the 158's maybe we should both load a batch and post and compare our results? thatd be interesting huh?

[jmorga10]

yeah crowbeaner id prefer not to push em real fast anyways because id rather a little weaker load for practice as to not put excess wear on my gun. besides this is really just gonna be a plinking round as its actually cheap enough to do so with. for hunting ill load something like you said with the 200gr rifle bullets.

[458winshooter]

2400 starts at 19.8 and a max of 25.8. H-4227 starts at 22.0 and a max at 27.3 AA-2015-Br starts at 27.4 and a max of 36.3 IMR-3031 starts at 29.5 and a max of 37.0 Viht-N-135 starts at 31.8 and a max of 39.5 The rifle used to test this data was a Marlin 336 SC with a 20" barrel 1 in 16" twist.Remington brass and Federal 210 primers.COL was 2.235 inches.Starting loads were listed at 1700 fps and all max loads were listed at 2200 fps.In addition checked the pistol section for 35 Rem and found that they have load data for a 180 gr pointed bullet(#3505) and Imr-4895.Start at 37.8 and max of 39.7.These are not to be used in a tube magazine rifle though.Hornady uses the same powdercharges in their data for this bullet and the 180 xtp in other calibers such as the 357 Remington Maximum for T/c Contender and the 357 Herrett Contender as well.Please remember to start low and work up.Hope this helps.

[Loader9]

I've got several of the Marlin 336 SC's in 35 Remington and none shoot the 158's with anything you would call accurate. I had the same luck with the 180's, both Speer and the XTP for the 357 Maximum. They will, however, stack the Remington 200's and the Winchester 250's in about a half inch hole at 100 yds- incredibly accurate for a lever gun! I assume the twist is wrong for the lighter bullets. You might also look at shooting lead bullets in your rifles. I never did try it as I don't and won't shoot lead in anything but it is an option for you for plinkers.

[saudst]

jmorga,

I like the light JHP loads, in my gun they were pretty acurate. The only complaint I had was the fact that these loads turned my gun into a 2 shooter, but then it was never designed for these bullets to begin with but their a lot of fun for plinking. If my gun would cycle the 125gr. or 140gr. bullets, it would be a great home defense load.

I realy like mine. it was handed down originaly from my grandfather who passed before I was born. I was born in "64" so that would make this gun a 1950-60s vintage. It is diferent than all the other 336s I have seen in the fact that it has a 3/4 magizine and the fore end is much wider than newer models. Let me know if your gun will cycle your loads, because if they do, I might want to find out why mine doesn't. I'm prety sure it's the OAL problem.

[jmorga10]

so on that note saudst, do you think the 158gr bullets may be a little better? a LITTLE room to tweak oal might help huh? because mine shoots the 150gr factory remington rifle rounds good (two at a time as there pointed). i think with a little messin the 158 could be good.

[saudst]

jmorga,

I understand you are just getting started in handloading. The loads you are considering are not complicated, but are, or were,an experiment with pistol bullets in a rifle case. Lost of fun but there a few things to consider.

The over all lenth of the cartrage is not always the same just because the bullet is the same weight. ie, 150gr. PSPCL from Remington and any other bullet. I always crimp the case mouth in the crimp grove for a cartrage being loaded in a tube magazine. The pistol bullets we are talking about are also meant to be crimped, but the OAL is set for a revolver cylinder lenth. this is what makes the OAL useing pistol bullets in a 35 Rem. case, shotrer than a factory rifle load, and why I think it does not feed properly in my gun.

This is why I've used the lighter bullets. I figured if I was going to experiment with loads for plinking I would use the lighter ones for fun, and use the rifle bullets for any hunting needs. Another thing I have found out is that lead bullets have to be very hard to be acurate if your barrel is of Microgroove persuation.

Lots of fun, and let me know @ your OAL please.

[jmorga10]

yeah saudst i had thought of that and that raised another ? i take it the pistol bullets tend to not hold well when not crimped on the cannelure(right word?) sorry if some people think my questions sound dumb but as saudst said im just starting and trying to go the safer route as i do know avoiding the dangers of reloading is paramount to my safety as well as my precious guns.

[jmorga10]

also i meant to ask what you think of the select few 200gr .357 bullets such as the sillohoutte tmj rounds and such and really any other 200gr .357 bullet. anybody got a source on some 200gr .357 bullets?

[saudst]

Cast Performance has a 187gr. and a 200gr. bullet and if you can't find them @ Midway USA, I think you can buy them from their web site. www.castperformance.com