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Old February 20, 2010, 11:41 AM   #1
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Extreme Rapid Fire Help

I believe Fairbairn said one should make one's pistol "sound like a machine-gun". How do you do it?

I am looking for tips, tricks, and advice for both revolvers and automatics please.
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Old February 20, 2010, 12:40 PM   #2
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Forget tricks..........practice for accuracy.........once you get accurate, speed up a bit, if your groups start opening up, slow down..... dont forgo fundementals.

You cant miss fast enough to win a gun fight.

You want to really learn to shoot fast AND ACCURAGE, take up ISU Rapid fire pistol. You have a bank of 5 targets, First stage, from the pistol held down about 45 degrees, you have 7 seconds to engage the 5 targets, 2nd stage 5 seconds, 3 stage 3 seconds. All at 25 meters.

Play that game. Forget the time, get where you can keep all the rounds in the 9-10 ring, and then work up your speed without loosing the 9-10 ring.
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Old February 20, 2010, 12:48 PM   #3
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Exactly correct. Put extreem speed completely out of your mind and get accurate. Get your presentation from concealment smooth and automatic. Keep safety fundamentals in mind at all times. Dry fire. Draw from concealment and dry fire. Practice reloads. Go shoot some IDPA. Speed is nice, but accuracy is final.

You can't miss fast enough to win a match any more than you can miss fast enough to win a fight.
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Old February 20, 2010, 03:00 PM   #4
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Good fundamentals will help you hit the target accurately (sight picture, alignment, trigger squeeze, follow-through). Good technique will help you do it quickly (grip, upper body position, etc)...notice I didn't say stance. You should train to keep your feet moving. Working the trigger reset will not only increase your spit time, but makes it easier to hit the target accurately. Splits under .25 are pretty good. Splits under .16 are quick.
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Old February 20, 2010, 03:25 PM   #5
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Good to start with fundamentals...

http://www.thunderranchinc.com/

Its convenient to get your gunfighting training for personal self-defense on the internet, of course, but it might be that the day comes when you would prefer to spend some time completely focused on sound development of fundamentals.

If that day ever arrives, you might consider taking a course. There are a number of different options out there, and many are worthwhile, but the one above has a very large number of students who hold very high (and well-informed) opinions of the staff and curriculum.

Just a thought...

Like the others said above, in armed confrontations "slow is smooth, and smooth is fast".

MHO. YMMV.

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Old February 20, 2010, 03:35 PM   #6
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What Fairbairn actually wrote was "The more closely our own pistols resemble machine-guns the better we like it."

He laid great stress in his writing on speed, even though he detested mechanical safety devices on pistols and insisted on chamber empty carry. But the line above came at the end of a champter discussing stopping power, which he admitted was an elusive goal. He also stressed "burst fire," meaning a quick succession of two or more shots at the target as a means of making up for the shortcomings of stopping power in a handgun projectile, as well as increasing hits.

Some of his ideas have become a little old fashioned and he also admitted his perspective was that of a policeman. His thinking on safeties and chamber empty carry may make sense but it is currently very controversial, at least in this particular forum. But he thought the Colt .45 automatic was the best possible choice for just about anyone and he knew what firepower was.
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Old February 20, 2010, 04:20 PM   #7
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All shooting target/tactical/defensive/combat.. starts and ends with trigger control, squeezing, pulling, and finger placement.

No matter how great your eye/aim is, sight picture is, stance or grip is.... JERK THE TRIGGER and you'll be off target.
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Old February 20, 2010, 06:59 PM   #8
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Its all about shot placement. You may be able to make your gun sound like a machine gun but if you do not hit him what good did it do.
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Old February 21, 2010, 07:14 AM   #9
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I think one of my problems is large hand/long singers and a J-frame grip. I keep the small stocks (with a T-grip) for conceal-ability and shoot the gun well.

However, with those stocks on it, is I try to blast a fast five things open up a bit.
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