The last few Pics of my Hawken Stock

jspappap · December 6, 2013, 10:36 AM

You are probably getting tired of me. I'm getting close to final sanding and will be wanting to apply some stain and finish soon and would appreciate any comments, advice that you may have so I don't make a mess.

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toolslinger · December 6, 2013, 03:39 PM

Nice work. Needs some brass tacks

Just started makin grips myself. I really need to learn to carve.

Hawg · December 6, 2013, 07:36 PM

Are you going to put silver wire in the grooves?

jspappap · December 7, 2013, 04:07 PM

Hawg,
If you didn't notice I put Brass wire around the two wedge settings. I wasn't thinking about putting it in the grooves around the patch box just practicing different carving techniques and as luck would have it got carried away. They are way too wide for the .010 wire I used around the wedge but I think I may try some heavier wire now that you mentioned it. Thanks for the idea.

jspappap · December 7, 2013, 04:09 PM

Toolslinger. I'm not sure what you mean by the brass tacks. Do you have any examples ?

Hawg · December 7, 2013, 04:46 PM

**4V50 Gary** · December 7, 2013, 08:02 PM

I learned wire inlay from John Schippers. He has a book that is sold by the NMLRA on engraving. Anyway, John didn't have use "carve" away a line for inlay. We stamped it in. Thus no wood was removed. The wire was inserted into the stamped trench and then pushed down. A little water was applied to get the wood to swell back out and bind the wire.

BerdanSS · December 7, 2013, 08:14 PM

Is that smoker yours HAWG.

I've never been a fan of tacking.....But

I like that sir! Looks a little rough with on the ol cheek though

That looks kinda like an enfield buttplate ?

Hawg · December 7, 2013, 08:38 PM

No. That one was owned by a Lakota Sioux holy man named Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake or Sitting Bull.

BerdanSS · December 7, 2013, 08:47 PM

HA!

I'm doing that on one of my front stuffers, but on the non cheek side

Hawg · December 8, 2013, 09:16 AM

Here's the other side. The leather cover is unborn buffalo hide.

BerdanSS · December 8, 2013, 09:57 AM

thanks hawg

toolslinger · December 8, 2013, 12:23 PM

Yep there you go. Thanks Hawg.

Curtis Simmons · December 8, 2013, 12:41 PM

That is some beautiful wood. Have you ever considered a hand rubbed oil finish? My brother was going to refinish a stock and when he got it stripped the wood was unique. This gun was to be a turkey gun and he didn't want a shiny finish so he used lin seed oil I believe and it turned out beautiful. Easy to maintain, just apply some more oil from time to time. Curtis

jspappap · December 10, 2013, 09:47 AM

4V50 Gary,
Do you have any pictures that you can post? Its an interesting sounding method.

jspappap · December 10, 2013, 01:54 PM

Curtis,
I liked your suggestion and put a little Tru Oil on inconspicuous areas ( the patch box id and the barrel inlet ). It looks pretty darn good. Methinks it's the way to go. Thanks again for the advice.

Pahoo · December 10, 2013, 02:29 PM

That wood looks like Birch to me or equal secondary hardwood. Now, you can finish light or you can stain and then apply whatever coating you like. On my previous reply, I stated that on this project, you might want to keep the Tru-Oil, on the shelf. The reason I said that is because Tru-Oil, has a gloss finish that you may not like. Sure, you can work the gloss out but you can also find a better finish for "this" project. .....

Very nice work and;
Be Safe !!!

jspappap · December 10, 2013, 02:49 PM

Pahoo, I think you are right in both instanced. The wood is probably birch and I would like to darken it a bit and am definitely not a fan of shiny stocks. I do like hand rubbed finishes. Any recommendation for stain that will darken the stock but not completely obliterate what grain there is and type of finish to put over it

Pahoo · December 10, 2013, 03:39 PM

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Any recommendation for stain that will darken the stock but not completely obliterate what grain there is and type of finish to put over it

Oh yes, I did open up that can; didn't I ?? ...

There are many good choices and besides Tru-Oil, I have used Minwax products. Watco deep penetrating oil stain & sealer, Permalyn stock finish, even pure Tung oil. I even have some Danish stain/finish that I'm not sure where it came from. One important point, is that it should be rated for outdoor use but doesn't have to be so as long as you know how to protect the overall project. On some project, I usually try and work a selection on a sample piece of wood or non-surface areas like the barrel channel. Take care as on light softer woods, the wood will absorb the oils on your hands and leave an uneven look.

Hoping others will step in and provide additional recommendations. ...

Good work and;
Be Safe !!!

Curtis Simmons · December 10, 2013, 07:14 PM

That is what my brother used, thanks for jarring my memory. It's a nice finish on his gun but I don't know what kind of wood it is. It's an old Ithaca shotgun.

December 6, 2013, 10:36 AM	#1
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	The last few Pics of my Hawken Stock You are probably getting tired of me. I'm getting close to final sanding and will be wanting to apply some stain and finish soon and would appreciate any comments, advice that you may have so I don't make a mess. HPIM1296.JPG HPIM1293.JPG

December 7, 2013, 08:02 PM	#7
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,829	I learned wire inlay from John Schippers. He has a book that is sold by the NMLRA on engraving. Anyway, John didn't have use "carve" away a line for inlay. We stamped it in. Thus no wood was removed. The wire was inserted into the stamped trench and then pushed down. A little water was applied to get the wood to swell back out and bind the wire. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 7, 2013, 08:14 PM	#8
BerdanSS Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Location: to close to other houses Posts: 1,176	Is that smoker yours HAWG. I've never been a fan of tacking.....But I like that sir! Looks a little rough with on the ol cheek though That looks kinda like an enfield buttplate ? __________________ One day, Men in tall hats will thump their chests and proclaim..."oh, what a great sea of mud we lived in"--The unalterable fate of billy creek .... "Smoke.....it's what's for dinner"

December 7, 2013, 08:47 PM	#10
BerdanSS Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Location: to close to other houses Posts: 1,176	HA! I'm doing that on one of my front stuffers, but on the non cheek side __________________ One day, Men in tall hats will thump their chests and proclaim..."oh, what a great sea of mud we lived in"--The unalterable fate of billy creek .... "Smoke.....it's what's for dinner"

December 8, 2013, 09:57 AM	#12
BerdanSS Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2011 Location: to close to other houses Posts: 1,176	thanks hawg __________________ One day, Men in tall hats will thump their chests and proclaim..."oh, what a great sea of mud we lived in"--The unalterable fate of billy creek .... "Smoke.....it's what's for dinner"

December 6, 2013, 03:39 PM	#2
toolslinger Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2009 Posts: 102	Nice work. Needs some brass tacks Just started makin grips myself. I really need to learn to carve.

December 6, 2013, 07:36 PM	#3
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Are you going to put silver wire in the grooves?

December 7, 2013, 04:07 PM	#4
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	Hawg, If you didn't notice I put Brass wire around the two wedge settings. I wasn't thinking about putting it in the grooves around the patch box just practicing different carving techniques and as luck would have it got carried away. They are way too wide for the .010 wire I used around the wedge but I think I may try some heavier wire now that you mentioned it. Thanks for the idea.

December 7, 2013, 04:09 PM	#5
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	Toolslinger. I'm not sure what you mean by the brass tacks. Do you have any examples ?

December 7, 2013, 04:46 PM	#6
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188

December 7, 2013, 08:38 PM	#9
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	No. That one was owned by a Lakota Sioux holy man named Tȟatȟáŋka Íyotake or Sitting Bull.

December 8, 2013, 09:16 AM	#11
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Here's the other side. The leather cover is unborn buffalo hide.

December 8, 2013, 12:23 PM	#13
toolslinger Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2009 Posts: 102	Yep there you go. Thanks Hawg.

December 8, 2013, 12:41 PM	#14
Curtis Simmons Junior Member Join Date: November 26, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 14	Stain or oil finish That is some beautiful wood. Have you ever considered a hand rubbed oil finish? My brother was going to refinish a stock and when he got it stripped the wood was unique. This gun was to be a turkey gun and he didn't want a shiny finish so he used lin seed oil I believe and it turned out beautiful. Easy to maintain, just apply some more oil from time to time. Curtis

December 10, 2013, 09:47 AM	#15
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	Stamped Silver Wire 4V50 Gary, Do you have any pictures that you can post? Its an interesting sounding method.

December 10, 2013, 01:54 PM	#16
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	Hand Rubbed Finish Curtis, I liked your suggestion and put a little Tru Oil on inconspicuous areas ( the patch box id and the barrel inlet ). It looks pretty darn good. Methinks it's the way to go. Thanks again for the advice.

December 10, 2013, 02:29 PM	#17
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	You project, your call That wood looks like Birch to me or equal secondary hardwood. Now, you can finish light or you can stain and then apply whatever coating you like. On my previous reply, I stated that on this project, you might want to keep the Tru-Oil, on the shelf. The reason I said that is because Tru-Oil, has a gloss finish that you may not like. Sure, you can work the gloss out but you can also find a better finish for "this" project. ..... Very nice work and; Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

December 10, 2013, 02:49 PM	#18
jspappap Member Join Date: January 20, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg Va. Posts: 90	Stock finish Pahoo, I think you are right in both instanced. The wood is probably birch and I would like to darken it a bit and am definitely not a fan of shiny stocks. I do like hand rubbed finishes. Any recommendation for stain that will darken the stock but not completely obliterate what grain there is and type of finish to put over it

December 10, 2013, 07:14 PM	#20
Curtis Simmons Junior Member Join Date: November 26, 2013 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 14	Tung oil That is what my brother used, thanks for jarring my memory. It's a nice finish on his gun but I don't know what kind of wood it is. It's an old Ithaca shotgun.

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