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Bottom line -- silencers are fun and legal in most states. They should be legal in all states, in fact they should be strongly supported by the gun community since they are a very positive influence on shooting. Hollywood and the movies that show suppressors in a certain way have "poisoned the well" on silencers just like they try on guns in general.
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LOL, the moderators probably didn't expect a fight in the gunsmith forum. I don't really care one way or the other, just didn't like the tone toward Harry. Later
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As far as illegal use for murders, I think anyone who has given the subject much attention at all realizes expedient suppressors can be manufactured for short term use relatively easy. Even without looking it up online I am sure many on this forum with basic firearm knowledge could dream up an expedient suppressor. Just as many could easily manufacture a zip gun. What separates us from criminals is not our possession of these items, but our willingness to work within the system to attain them, no matter how strange the rules are, and responsibly/legally use them. I have already discussed this purchase with my CLEO, and it is legal in my area. He is not at all concerned about me having it. I was just wondering how many I should budget for. Looks like one for my .22lr and one for both the .222 and .223 centerfires will be fine. Last edited by johnwilliamson062; July 18, 2008 at 08:52 AM. |
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John, I don't have any problem with them. In the end Zak and I were nit picking about whether an otherwise illegal object or material obtainable with a special permit should be generally labeled as legal. I doubt many state governments will ever allow them to be acquired without some special permit nor should they IMO. I'm sure others will look at it differently.
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I had NO idea this would grow into the size it has. Now, I'll tell you my view on silencers: When I see a silencer on a rifle I think that it is going to be used for an illegal purpose - and - that the individual using one isn't using it for hearing protection but for some stupid illegal purpose. I feel the same about muzzle brakes - they damage your hearing and those about you (african P.H. will either have you unscrew it or go back to the plane.) Do silencer or brakes enhance accuracy? NOTHING you screw on the muzzle of a rifle does anything for accuracy, BOSS or anything (bullet seating does the job of BOSS to some degree). The same about super lite triggers - they are used generally because many shooters flinch and they think it helps (it doesnt - they still flinch). The muzzle of a rifle is a sacred sight - it must be a perfect exit for the bullet and nothing in the bullets way will help to stabilize it - NOTHING. If a person needs a silencer or brake they need to go to a smaller caliber they can shoot well. The ONLY reason I personally can see for a silencer is poaching or some other erroneouus activity. This is just my personal opinion. If I was going to poach or god forbid shoot people in a city surrounding - yea - I might want a silencer! I'm not sorry for my opinion, nor my post but I cannot for the life of me understand this eruption of comment. Harry B. Last edited by Harry Bonar; July 19, 2008 at 10:05 AM. Reason: spelling |
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I would like a suppressor on my .223 hog gun. What "smaller caliber" would you recommend? The suppressor would mean I wouldn't have to wear plugs to protect my hearing. Then I could more easily hear the world around me. It would also mean I'd have a chance to take more than 1 hog at a time. Since the pests are often found in groups of 5-10-15, I could take multiple pigs without them scattering, or at least have a chance as such. As it is, we coordinate shots among multiple shooters so we all shoot at one time at different pigs. It works, but a suppressor would make it much nicer. A suppressor on my .308 deer rifle would be a great benefit, also. If we all had suppressors, Walker Game Ear wouldn't have a market. You, sir, are clueless on this subject. |
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It's absolutely inconceiveable to me that a fellow firearm enthusiast could harbor that opinion. I don't agree with it in any way, shape or form, and I think you should be embarrassed to call yourself a firearms enthusiast. You are certainly no friend of the second ammendment, nor the shooting sports community as a whole. What a shame...
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I have simply given my opinion. That is all it is - it is simply no reason for the personal attacks which I deem to be mean spirited and impolite. I've tried to just brush this off and defuse the situation but to no avail. It appears that there is no respect given to a 73 year old mans simple opinion anymore. The statements made about me are all false; I've been a supporter on T.V. and news print in my area for gun rights several times. I've worked on guns my entire adult life - I love guns. I've done "contract" work for Charleston WVa police sniper division - homeland defense, desert storm A10 pilots and many other agencies un-named. I've supplied an ex-Vietnam sniper, forensic team leader whose picture with his crew was in J.Edgar Hoovers office till his retirement. I worked contracted for Wayne Novaks 45 Shop for years on special projects. I am a loyal American and support the second amendment. I'm old fashioned in my views and make no apology for them. Now, I've taken your remarks and resent them and will post no more on this subject - my views run the same now as then Now, I wish you all well - I hope you enjoy your sport; I just would like some of you to grow up and respect others opinions without demeaning them personally. I wish you all well. Harry B. |
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Meanwhile you support the right to keep and bear, but only the arms YOU feel are acceptable. This is a dangerous opinion and is largely responsible for the disarmament of most of Europe, so forgive us if we don't see it as merely an opinion but downright threatening. Like I said, you're not willing to change your mind based off anything you will read or be told, so I propose this: Give us a ballpark of where you live. God willing, if in a free state, lets see if we can't arrange someone to take you out shooting with a quality suppressor or two and see if we can't change your mind via that route. I'm sure you would enjoy it immensely. Respectfully yours... |
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I'll be happy to tell you where I live - then we can have a face to face discussion. I live at Veto Ohio and anyone can tell you where I live. I think this is getting really out of hand and I'm sick of it. Harry B. |
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Veto Ohio, got it. Gimme a moment.
There's a website, ar15adviser.com, which kinda started off as an Ohio hometown forum. Might be a good start. |
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I have simply given my opinion. That is all it is - it is simply no reason for the personal attacks which I deem to be mean spirited and impolite. I've tried to just brush this off and defuse the situation but to no avail. It appears that there is no respect given to a 73 year old mans simple opinion anymore. The statements made about me are all false; I've been a supporter on T.V. and news print in my area for gun rights several times. I've worked on guns my entire adult life - I love guns. I've done "contract" work for Charleston WVa police sniper division - homeland defense, desert storm A10 pilots and many other agencies un-named. I've supplied an ex-Vietnam sniper, forensic team leader whose picture with his crew was in J.Edgar Hoovers office till his retirement. I worked contracted for Wayne Novaks 45 Shop for years on special projects. I am a loyal American and support the second amendment. I'm old fashioned in my views and make no apology for them. Now, I've taken your remarks and resent them and will post no more on this subject - my views run the same now as then Now, I wish you all well - I hope you enjoy your sport; I just would like some of you to grow up and respect others opinions without demeaning them personally. I wish you all well. Harry B. Jim Zumbo was outspoken in his views and un willing to learn till he was "Zumboed" by evil black rifle owners. He lots all kinds of money and his jobs as Hunting Editor for Outdoor Life magazine and host of the television program Jim Zumbo Outdoors on The Outdoor Channel. He was smart enough and able to learn from his mistakes. Are you of the same caliber as that of Jim Zumbo, or are you a narrow minded FUDD as your statements above indicate. |
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If you permit these personal attcks then I'm done on the forum. This is getting very personal to me. Anyone can stop by if they have a problem with me. Face to Face. Harry B. |
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Veto Ohio, got it. Gimme a moment.
There's a website, ar15adviser.com, which kinda started off as an Ohio hometown forum. Might be a good start MisterWilson, do you have the ability to post a link on that silencer forum you mentioned to this thread? It would be nice to have others knowledgeable in the silencer world to chime in about this topic. |
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Aww come on Harry, take it easy. You've made some pretty inflammatory statements and while I'm sure we could have kept a better buffer between our minds and our mouths (or hands), there's no good reason to start making ultimatums & throwing down gauntlets.
Lets just work on getting you a product demo on a few cans and take things from there. |
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If you permit these personal attcks then I'm done on the forum. This is getting very personal to me. Anyone can stop by if they have a problem with me. Face to Face. Harry B. There are no personal attacks against you, just differing opinions and you are unable to be open minded to learn and grow in the firearms arena. You state you above references, yet are un willing to learn more about silencer's and retreat under a guise of being under personal attack and the threat to leave this site. I'm sorry you are such a narrow minded person. |
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Joey, I'm wondering whether or not it'd be a good idea.
I look at it like this, if we could win over Mister Bonar (hehe), we'd win over a lot more people than just himself. Other folks are watching this no doubt and making judgments based on it. |
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