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March 22, 2014, 02:50 PM | #26 |
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Easy. Don't drink and carry.
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March 22, 2014, 03:39 PM | #27 |
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"If you're going to drink and drive, why not drink and carry?"
Because it is legal to have a drink and drive as long as you are not over .08 BAC in TN but illegal to have ANY alcohol and carry. |
March 22, 2014, 03:57 PM | #28 |
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I do not think that you should be forced to give up your right to defend yourself simply because you enjoy a beer or two, that's BS. Be responsible is the only guide that I use. Better judged by a jury that to perish at the hand of a criminal. Refuse to be a victim!
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March 22, 2014, 04:09 PM | #29 |
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If it's illegal, then don't do it.
My personal opinion is that an idiot will be a drunken idiot, and a normal person will still handle himself as a gentleman with a few drinks. But the laws and courts are another story. |
March 22, 2014, 07:30 PM | #30 |
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Again, another fact that Connecticut doesn't have such laws. Such a conservative state with supposed conservative laws. It's funny that many other states have laws concerning this.
I'm not aware of any law that says I can't carry while drinking. It'd be stupid to have a law, IMHO. Oh yeah, anybody can illegally have a gun, but God forbid the people that can legally carry one. |
March 22, 2014, 07:44 PM | #31 | |
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The prosecutor will no doubt have put on the witness stand one or more experts to testify about how alcohol consumption impairs one's judgment and perception. And now they will be considering that expert testimony while deciding whether to accept your story about how and why you decided that it was justified for you to shoot another human. Some folks don't fully understand the legal reality of using force in self defense. This post and this post might provide some useful background on the subject.
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March 22, 2014, 09:04 PM | #32 |
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On the other hand, what if you are unlucky enough to have had a few drinks, "need to use your gun in self defense, and are now about to be judged by a jury?
The prosecutor will no doubt have put on the witness stand one or more experts to testify about how alcohol consumption impairs one's judgment and perception. And now they will be considering that expert testimony while deciding whether to accept your story about how and why you decided that it was justified for you to shoot another human. Some folks don't fully understand the legal reality of using force in self defense. This post and this post might provide some useful background on the subject." ________________ So you're saying that people that drink aren't legally obligated to defend themselves? |
March 22, 2014, 09:25 PM | #33 | |
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See the posts I've linked to for more details.
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March 22, 2014, 10:20 PM | #34 |
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Thanks guys for the discussion. The deeper issues above were the purpose of my post. I don't carry in public places and never have felt the need. The point of my post was to understand how others who CCW full time or live in locations where crime is more challenging handle the situation. Hopefully we all agree, alcohol and guns are best enjoyed separately.
I hope I'm never in a position where I have to choose to seriously wound or take another person's life and like you I most likely never will be. But if I were in that position, if I were walking back to my car after having a beer and pizza with my family ... and I was unarmed would the results be worse than facing a similar situation while armed? I understand neither situation is desirable but those are the philosophical type questions that prompted my post. Thanks all
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March 23, 2014, 06:48 AM | #35 |
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I'm 29 yrs. Old and I actually quit drinking all together once I got my ccw permit. I got my permit so I could always at least feel safer. To feel safer you always need your gun. To always have your gun you should never be under the influence of anything. Firearms and alcohol = problems. Unless grandpa is in the duck blind. He swears jaquins brandy saved his life in the old days when their boat tipped. He always keeps it with him now when duck hunting lol.
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March 23, 2014, 10:22 AM | #36 | |
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A time and place !!!
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March 23, 2014, 02:05 PM | #37 | |
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In Ohio, you can't have any alcohol in your system. That takes away any argument for whether you had too much to carry based on all the other factors. I believe its also illegal to lock it in your car since it is still under your control, even if you under the limit to drive. |
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March 23, 2014, 07:52 PM | #38 | |
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Are you saying that if you had a few and you and your wife were attacked in a parking lot it is against Ohio law to defend yourself with a firearm? You can't retreat, you can't physically fight back, so you must stand tall and take your beating and hope you do not die in the process? |
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He was acquitted of shooting the men he said attacked hm. The jury accepted his claim of self defense. But he was sent to prison for unlawful possession of a gun. So it's possible for a to be exonerated from criminal responsibility for shooting someone if your claim of self defense is accepted. But you could still be convicted of a weapons charge if you violated some law by having the gun in your possession.
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Civil suits have a lower burden of proof, and the allegation could be made that I was negligent by virtue of being impaired.
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March 23, 2014, 08:40 PM | #41 | |
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So a drunk person (or convicted felon) who killed someone with a firearm in self-defense might not be convicted of murder if the circumstances were extremely clearcut in his favor. But he might still be prosecuted for possessing the firearm and (in the case of the intoxicated individual) might lose the right to carry, or even to own, firearms in the future.
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March 25, 2014, 05:27 AM | #43 | |
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What if it causes you to make a bad call and draw down on somebody walking towards you with a cell phone or something? Think about it. You say refuse to be a victim, and I agree. So don't drink while out, that is a great way to become a victim. |
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March 25, 2014, 10:03 AM | #44 |
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Well, the right to eat pancakes shall not be abridged!!
I wonder if that was truly the causal agent?
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March 25, 2014, 10:23 AM | #45 |
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Drinking in a bar is not the same as other places
Carrying in a bar is more likely to result in the poor exercise of judgment than elsewhere due to the opportunity for conflict with others with impaired judgment.
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March 25, 2014, 09:49 PM | #46 |
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"The other day I went shooting, and I noticed that my score diminished somewhat because of poor diet. I at pancakes loaded with sugar and had two cups of coffee that morning, and it hurt my shooting. How do you think alcohol is going to affect your ability to shoot?"
I'd likely be more steady after a few beers than after a few coffees due to caffeine. I'm definitely more shaky after drinking coffee. So should we outlaw caffeine and carrying? |
March 26, 2014, 01:09 AM | #47 | |
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I live in Washington. Here the law is very clear: You can't carry in a bar, but it's OK to drink alcohol while carrying, you just can't go over the .08% limit. I carry everywhere I can legally carry, including restaurants where I might have a beer or two. If I'm sober enough to drive home, I'm sober enough to carry. Just as I would never drink too much to affect my driving, I would never drink too much to affect my judgement while carrying.
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March 26, 2014, 01:14 PM | #48 |
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If I decide to drink the gun gets locked in the safe in my car.
If anything happens while I'm inside, I'll just have to make do with pepper-spray, and my knives. That's the way the law is set, if you don't like it, change the law.
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Does anyone know what states actually have this requirement, compared to what states impose a blood-alcohol percentage requirement as for driving? |
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