Anyone have recent experience with ATF wait times? - Page 4

Machineguntony · June 26, 2014, 02:54 PM

Does anyone have any personal experience with the current state of paper filing? Is it still 10 months?

I keep hearing that the ATF has hired 15 additional "people". Is this just a rumor? Is it 15 additional examiners? Clerks?

I'm all for the ATF making sure that the crazies and nuts do not get their mitts on machine guns and silencers, but can't they just hire more staff and expedite the process? We NFA owners are good and respectful people.

**Tom Servo** · June 26, 2014, 02:56 PM

I'm currently getting forms back that were submitted in late September.

Deja vu · June 27, 2014, 10:54 PM

I have paper work that I submitted July 2013 that is still not back yet... Unfortunately I also have paper work that I submitted about a week ago as well. That will be a really long wait.

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I keep hearing that the ATF has hired 15 additional "people". Is this just a rumor? Is it 15 additional examiners? Clerks?

I think its people that answer phone calls if any thing. I know my clerk here in idaho is still Sandra Snook... the same person it has always been.

dogtown tom · June 28, 2014, 09:20 PM

Received a customers approved Form 4 today.
Submitted October 15th, 2013

ATCDoktor · July 1, 2014, 02:51 AM

I got a paper individual Form 1 back today:

Check cashed 11/21/13
Approved 6/24/14
Stamp received 6/30/14

A few days over 7 months.

Machineguntony · July 1, 2014, 08:52 PM

Allegedly, someone got their form 4s back in less than six months.

I wish that I can get my stuff before Christmas. Hopefully, Santa is kind to me.

http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi?read=827459

Anyone experience anything similar?

Modeler · July 1, 2014, 10:46 PM

My most recent Form 4 (Sparrow SS on a Trust) took 7 months and 6 days from check cashing to approval. Here's the timeline:

Mailed 9/4/13
Received 9/9/13
Check cashed 9/9/14
Approved 4/15/14
Received 4/19/14

My other two cans are a few days from the 7 month mark, hoping for some good news in the next month or so!

Machineguntony · August 22, 2014, 04:20 PM

I spoke to someone at the ATF front desk today.

Checks cashed around May. Guns went into pending status June 2014.

According to the front desk, the form 4s will be approved February.

So form 4s are still taking about 9-10 months total.

Not really any quicker than in the past.

Sure shot wv · August 22, 2014, 06:47 PM

This thread makes me kinda sad...lol. I just submitted on the 19th a paper form 1 for an SBR and a form 4 for a guardian 22. Both through a trust. I was hoping the ATF was back to around the 6 month mark. Wishful thinking I suppose...

Modeler · August 22, 2014, 10:35 PM

I'm thinking of doing two more SBR's on E-Forms, maybe a 10/22 underfolder and a AR in .300 BLK. Looks like E-Forms are down to a 4 week wait. Because why not?

Sure shot wv · August 23, 2014, 01:00 PM

I didn't know you could still efile. Otherwise I would have done that for my SBR!

Machineguntony · August 23, 2014, 05:13 PM

Unless something changed last week, you still can not efile form 4. No way to get around the 10 month wait. I keep reading on subguns of people having their form 4s approved in six months. Hopefully, the ATF front desk is overestimating, and it really is six months.

Modeler · August 23, 2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Machineguntony

Unless something changed last week, you still can not efile form 4. No way to get around the 10 month wait. I keep reading on subguns of people having their form 4s approved in six months. Hopefully, the ATF front desk is overestimating, and it really is six months.

Form 1's are up and running, NFATracker is showing a 1 month wait.

Coach Z · August 23, 2014, 05:32 PM

I submitted a form 1 electronically last week, will update this when I get it back. Also waiting on four form 4's from just a couple months ago so I don't expect to see those until the spring

pbratton · August 25, 2014, 03:48 PM

I filed a Form 1 Electronically on 8/5/2014 and received electronic notice that my application had been approved today.

Included was an image of the form with stamp.

20 days!

Much better than the 6 months it took 5 years ago...

Thanks ATF! You done me proud.

Machineguntony · August 25, 2014, 04:17 PM

Can someone explain why ATF will approve a form 1 so quickly, but yet take literally 6-10x as long on a form 4?

I can understand why a form 3 would be quicker than a form 4, as with the form 3 dealer to dealer transfer, ATF has effectively already vetted the dealer. In theory, shouldn't a form 1 and form 4 take the same amount of time?

Modeler · August 25, 2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pbratton

I filed a Form 1 Electronically on 8/5/2014 and received electronic notice that my application had been approved today.

Included was an image of the form with stamp.

20 days!

Much better than the 6 months it took 5 years ago...

Thanks ATF! You done me proud.

Love it! Alas, I must wait for a couple more paydays to pass...

rjv140 · August 25, 2014, 04:39 PM

I just got the email that my form 1 which was efiled on 8/4/14 is approved today.

Does anyone know if I will get something in the mail or is the email it?

Sharkbite · August 25, 2014, 07:11 PM

The email notice and the included PDF is it. Print a color copy of the PDF and there you go.

No hard stamp with E-filed forms

rjv140 · August 25, 2014, 07:31 PM

Thank you

Lark · August 27, 2014, 11:00 PM

3 weeks for my ATF e-form 1's this month.

boltomatic · September 19, 2014, 04:57 PM

Silencer shop has a page where they update wait times daily. I'd post a link but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to, just google it.

I just got back a form 3, took exactly 3 months. Also just submitted a form 4 and a second form 3, I'm hoping fto have approval for both within the next year.

I also heard from someone who went to an ATF conference that they have not even chosen a contractor yet for eForms, so its going to be a while before you can submit form 4's electronically.

Also, yes they hired 15 new examiners, but they failed to mention how many examiners left.

Brian Pfleuger · September 19, 2014, 06:21 PM

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I'd post a link but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to,

There's no rule against posting links to relevant pages.

Machineguntony · October 7, 2014, 04:55 PM

According to ATF tracker websites, form 4 stamps are coming back at 4 months after pending date.

http://www.nfatracker.com/

mitchntx · October 11, 2014, 04:15 PM

Submitted paper form 4 May 29
Approved and stamp in-hand October 9

AAC Elelment 2 for a 22LR

June 26, 2014, 02:54 PM	#76
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Does anyone have any personal experience with the current state of paper filing? Is it still 10 months? I keep hearing that the ATF has hired 15 additional "people". Is this just a rumor? Is it 15 additional examiners? Clerks? I'm all for the ATF making sure that the crazies and nuts do not get their mitts on machine guns and silencers, but can't they just hire more staff and expedite the process? We NFA owners are good and respectful people. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

June 26, 2014, 02:56 PM	#77
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	I'm currently getting forms back that were submitted in late September. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

June 28, 2014, 09:20 PM	#79
dogtown tom Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 3,073	Eight and a half months..... Received a customers approved Form 4 today. Submitted October 15th, 2013 __________________ Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers) Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

July 1, 2014, 08:52 PM	#81
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Allegedly, someone got their form 4s back in less than six months. I wish that I can get my stuff before Christmas. Hopefully, Santa is kind to me. http://www.subguns.com/boards/mgmsg.cgi?read=827459 Anyone experience anything similar? __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

July 1, 2014, 10:46 PM	#82
Modeler Member Join Date: June 24, 2014 Location: Mid-Willamette Valley, Oregon Posts: 20	My most recent Form 4 (Sparrow SS on a Trust) took 7 months and 6 days from check cashing to approval. Here's the timeline: Mailed 9/4/13 Received 9/9/13 Check cashed 9/9/14 Approved 4/15/14 Received 4/19/14 My other two cans are a few days from the 7 month mark, hoping for some good news in the next month or so! __________________ "Be weird; pay with cash!" - Dave Ramsey "Come visit us again and again. This is a state of excitement. But for heaven's sake, don't come here to live." - Tom McCall, 30th Governor of Oregon

July 1, 2014, 02:51 AM	#80
ATCDoktor Senior Member Join Date: December 24, 2006 Posts: 172	I got a paper individual Form 1 back today: Check cashed 11/21/13 Approved 6/24/14 Stamp received 6/30/14 A few days over 7 months.

August 22, 2014, 04:20 PM	#83
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	I spoke to someone at the ATF front desk today. Checks cashed around May. Guns went into pending status June 2014. According to the front desk, the form 4s will be approved February. So form 4s are still taking about 9-10 months total. Not really any quicker than in the past. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

August 22, 2014, 06:47 PM	#84
Sure shot wv Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 137	This thread makes me kinda sad...lol. I just submitted on the 19th a paper form 1 for an SBR and a form 4 for a guardian 22. Both through a trust. I was hoping the ATF was back to around the 6 month mark. Wishful thinking I suppose...

August 22, 2014, 10:35 PM	#85
Modeler Member Join Date: June 24, 2014 Location: Mid-Willamette Valley, Oregon Posts: 20	I'm thinking of doing two more SBR's on E-Forms, maybe a 10/22 underfolder and a AR in .300 BLK. Looks like E-Forms are down to a 4 week wait. Because why not?

August 23, 2014, 01:00 PM	#86
Sure shot wv Senior Member Join Date: January 25, 2013 Location: West Virginia Posts: 137	I didn't know you could still efile. Otherwise I would have done that for my SBR!

August 23, 2014, 05:13 PM	#87
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Unless something changed last week, you still can not efile form 4. No way to get around the 10 month wait. I keep reading on subguns of people having their form 4s approved in six months. Hopefully, the ATF front desk is overestimating, and it really is six months. __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

August 23, 2014, 05:32 PM	#89
Coach Z Senior Member Join Date: February 18, 2011 Location: RI Posts: 795	I submitted a form 1 electronically last week, will update this when I get it back. Also waiting on four form 4's from just a couple months ago so I don't expect to see those until the spring __________________ Love my guns

August 25, 2014, 03:48 PM	#90
pbratton Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2007 Location: Sugar Land, Texas Posts: 171	I filed a Form 1 Electronically on 8/5/2014 and received electronic notice that my application had been approved today. Included was an image of the form with stamp. 20 days! Much better than the 6 months it took 5 years ago... Thanks ATF! You done me proud.

August 25, 2014, 04:17 PM	#91
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	Can someone explain why ATF will approve a form 1 so quickly, but yet take literally 6-10x as long on a form 4? I can understand why a form 3 would be quicker than a form 4, as with the form 3 dealer to dealer transfer, ATF has effectively already vetted the dealer. In theory, shouldn't a form 1 and form 4 take the same amount of time? __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x

August 25, 2014, 04:39 PM	#93
rjv140 Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Posts: 142	I just got the email that my form 1 which was efiled on 8/4/14 is approved today. Does anyone know if I will get something in the mail or is the email it?

August 25, 2014, 07:11 PM	#94
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	The email notice and the included PDF is it. Print a color copy of the PDF and there you go. No hard stamp with E-filed forms

August 25, 2014, 07:31 PM	#95
rjv140 Senior Member Join Date: March 1, 2006 Posts: 142	Thank you

August 27, 2014, 11:00 PM	#96
Lark Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2012 Location: Western WA Posts: 144	3 weeks for my ATF e-form 1's this month. __________________ Lark is free!

September 19, 2014, 04:57 PM	#97
boltomatic Member Join Date: March 25, 2014 Posts: 98	Silencer shop has a page where they update wait times daily. I'd post a link but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to, just google it. I just got back a form 3, took exactly 3 months. Also just submitted a form 4 and a second form 3, I'm hoping fto have approval for both within the next year. I also heard from someone who went to an ATF conference that they have not even chosen a contractor yet for eForms, so its going to be a while before you can submit form 4's electronically. Also, yes they hired 15 new examiners, but they failed to mention how many examiners left.

October 7, 2014, 04:55 PM	#99
Machineguntony Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2013 Posts: 1,277	According to ATF tracker websites, form 4 stamps are coming back at 4 months after pending date. http://www.nfatracker.com/ __________________ Sent from Motorola DynaTac 8000x Last edited by Machineguntony; October 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM.

October 11, 2014, 04:15 PM	#100
mitchntx Senior Member Join Date: June 19, 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 358	Submitted paper form 4 May 29 Approved and stamp in-hand October 9 AAC Elelment 2 for a 22LR