.30 carbine spire points?

bigwrench · April 29, 2011, 11:26 PM

I have been kicking around the idea of loading some .30 carbine ammo. with some spire point bullets. Cannot find any load data for spire points. Had the Hornady or speer 110 grn. spire points in mind. Any one hear tryed loading spire points in .30 carbine? I want to load these for my Marlin 62 lever action.

Roughedge · April 30, 2011, 07:07 AM

I've loaded some just playing around for my M1 carbine . They shot no different from the round nose. You have to be carefull loading any pointed bullets for a tubeular magazine as the recoil may set one off.

hammered54 · April 30, 2011, 08:21 AM

check Hornady and see , they may offer the FTX just for this application.

kraigwy · April 30, 2011, 09:22 AM

I found a box of speer point 110s in my shop I used for my 30 Harrit. I set them with my carbine stuff to load for my CMP Underwood M1 Carbine for my next load session for the Carbine.

I see no reason why they wont work. I plan on loading them the same as the 110 round nose stuff. 15 grns of 296. I'll let you know how it works.

I'd do it today but its blowing snow and I can't see my 100 yard target.

k0pw · April 30, 2011, 12:25 PM

For tubular fed rifles in the velocity range of the .30 carbine, the Hornady 160gr FTX (#30395) would be a good choice, though heavier than most bullets recommended for that caliber. They are designed to open at lower velocities, which would be a plus.

k0pw
(aka Hoot in most of the other forums)

zippy13 · April 30, 2011, 03:38 PM

Years ago, I loaded .30 Carbine with Speer's half-jacketed RN "Plinkers" (discontinued?) and home cast Lyman #311359 115-gr SP w/ GC over around 10-gr of 2400. This bullet is also used in the 7.62x39mm.

Image: grafs.com

hunter52 · April 30, 2011, 04:11 PM

I have tried to load Sierra 110 gr HP and Hornady 110 Spire Points,the problem I ran into was that by the time I got them seated deep enough to fit the magazine there was a gap between the case mouth and the bullet and I did not want to find out how much pressure the extra seating depth and crimp would create in my Rockola.
For a tubular magazine length would not be as critical but bullet shape might be flat nose or round nose for tubular magazines.

bigwrench · April 30, 2011, 05:43 PM

Ya! The C.O.L. of the spire points fitting in the magazine is what I was concerned with. My marlin also has a detachable box magazine and so I'm in that same boat as the M1 shooters in that respect.

zippy13 · April 30, 2011, 09:03 PM

I just measured, the Lyman #31159 SPs, crimped at the ring, have a COL of 1.678" just under the maximum of 1.680.

wncchester · May 1, 2011, 03:31 PM

"You have to be carefull loading any pointed bullets for a tubeular magazine as the recoil may set one off."

I presume those concerned about pointy bullets in a Marlin 62 lever haven't a clue what that rifle is.

Jbotto · May 1, 2011, 06:16 PM

Ha! I had to look up the Model 62 to know what it was, as I didn't recognize it to be the stereotypical Marlin lever-action. Neat gun!

bigwrench · May 2, 2011, 11:58 PM

Zippy, was actualy questioning the compatabilty of the jacketed bullets. But, upon further consideration I think that casting for my .30 is the ticket. Thanks!

CherokeeT · May 3, 2011, 08:34 AM

I learned a long time ago it would not work because of the OAL needed to feed from mag. 311359 works.

Scorch · May 3, 2011, 10:44 AM

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You have to be carefull loading any pointed bullets for a tubeular magazine as the recoil may set one off.

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For tubular fed rifles . . .

Who said anything about tube magazine rifles?

You can use the same loading data for 110 gr spitzers as with 110 gr RN, but your M1 Carbine may not feed them well, or it might like them just fine. Original military rounds are RN FMJ for feeding reliability, not aerodynamics.

Be careful and don't try to hotrod the M1 Carbine. You would not like the results.

wncchester · May 3, 2011, 01:10 PM

Who said anything about shooting a .30 Carbine? The OP's question referered to shooting that cartridge in a Marlin 62, which IS a lever rifle.

Roughedge · May 4, 2011, 09:37 AM

"I presume those concerned about pointy bullets in a Marlin 62 lever haven't a clue what that rifle is. "
You are right, I just assumed it was like my 336 marlin. Had to look it up.

kraigwy · May 4, 2011, 10:18 AM

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Who said anything about shooting a .30 Carbine? The OP's question referered to shooting that cartridge in a Marlin 62, which IS a lever rifle.

I did. Because of his question post.

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Any one hear tryed loading spire points in .30 carbine? I want to load these for my Marlin 62 lever action.

I'm gonna load a few of each, regular RN and Spire Points to see how that shoot in my 30 Carbine (USGI Underwood).

April 29, 2011, 11:26 PM	#1
bigwrench Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Location: foot of the uintas Posts: 148	.30 carbine spire points? I have been kicking around the idea of loading some .30 carbine ammo. with some spire point bullets. Cannot find any load data for spire points. Had the Hornady or speer 110 grn. spire points in mind. Any one hear tryed loading spire points in .30 carbine? I want to load these for my Marlin 62 lever action.

April 30, 2011, 07:07 AM	#2
Roughedge Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Location: Monroe,NC Posts: 669	I've loaded some just playing around for my M1 carbine . They shot no different from the round nose. You have to be carefull loading any pointed bullets for a tubeular magazine as the recoil may set one off. __________________ The man that die's with the most stuff win's!

April 30, 2011, 09:22 AM	#4
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I found a box of speer point 110s in my shop I used for my 30 Harrit. I set them with my carbine stuff to load for my CMP Underwood M1 Carbine for my next load session for the Carbine. I see no reason why they wont work. I plan on loading them the same as the 110 round nose stuff. 15 grns of 296. I'll let you know how it works. I'd do it today but its blowing snow and I can't see my 100 yard target. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

April 30, 2011, 03:38 PM	#6
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	Years ago, I loaded .30 Carbine with Speer's half-jacketed RN "Plinkers" (discontinued?) and home cast Lyman #311359 115-gr SP w/ GC over around 10-gr of 2400. This bullet is also used in the 7.62x39mm. Image: grafs.com Last edited by zippy13; May 4, 2011 at 11:49 AM. Reason: typo

May 1, 2011, 03:31 PM	#10
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	"You have to be carefull loading any pointed bullets for a tubeular magazine as the recoil may set one off." I presume those concerned about pointy bullets in a Marlin 62 lever haven't a clue what that rifle is. Last edited by wncchester; May 1, 2011 at 06:01 PM.

April 30, 2011, 08:21 AM	#3
hammered54 Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2010 Location: Pinckney,Michigan Posts: 151	check Hornady and see , they may offer the FTX just for this application.

April 30, 2011, 12:25 PM	#5
k0pw Junior Member Join Date: July 31, 2006 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 1	For tubular fed rifles in the velocity range of the .30 carbine, the Hornady 160gr FTX (#30395) would be a good choice, though heavier than most bullets recommended for that caliber. They are designed to open at lower velocities, which would be a plus. k0pw (aka Hoot in most of the other forums)

April 30, 2011, 04:11 PM	#7
hunter52 Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 101	I have tried to load Sierra 110 gr HP and Hornady 110 Spire Points,the problem I ran into was that by the time I got them seated deep enough to fit the magazine there was a gap between the case mouth and the bullet and I did not want to find out how much pressure the extra seating depth and crimp would create in my Rockola. For a tubular magazine length would not be as critical but bullet shape might be flat nose or round nose for tubular magazines.

April 30, 2011, 05:43 PM	#8
bigwrench Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Location: foot of the uintas Posts: 148	Ya! The C.O.L. of the spire points fitting in the magazine is what I was concerned with. My marlin also has a detachable box magazine and so I'm in that same boat as the M1 shooters in that respect.

April 30, 2011, 09:03 PM	#9
zippy13 Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: SoCal Posts: 6,442	I just measured, the Lyman #31159 SPs, crimped at the ring, have a COL of 1.678" just under the maximum of 1.680.

May 1, 2011, 06:16 PM	#11
Jbotto Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2010 Location: MN Posts: 437	Ha! I had to look up the Model 62 to know what it was, as I didn't recognize it to be the stereotypical Marlin lever-action. Neat gun!

May 2, 2011, 11:58 PM	#12
bigwrench Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Location: foot of the uintas Posts: 148	Zippy, was actualy questioning the compatabilty of the jacketed bullets. But, upon further consideration I think that casting for my .30 is the ticket. Thanks! Last edited by bigwrench; May 2, 2011 at 11:59 PM. Reason: spelling

May 3, 2011, 08:34 AM	#13
CherokeeT Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2008 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 273	I learned a long time ago it would not work because of the OAL needed to feed from mag. 311359 works. __________________ God Bless America US Army, NRA Endowment TSRA Life, SASS

May 3, 2011, 01:10 PM	#15
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	Who said anything about shooting a .30 Carbine? The OP's question referered to shooting that cartridge in a Marlin 62, which IS a lever rifle.

May 4, 2011, 09:37 AM	#16
Roughedge Senior Member Join Date: January 24, 2011 Location: Monroe,NC Posts: 669	"I presume those concerned about pointy bullets in a Marlin 62 lever haven't a clue what that rifle is. " You are right, I just assumed it was like my 336 marlin. Had to look it up. __________________ The man that die's with the most stuff win's!