Illegal handgun

Garybock · February 26, 2012, 06:22 PM

While helping to move my elderly mother from the family home to an assisted living arrangement I found an RG 14 - 22 LR revolver.

Mom said that my late father bought it from "some guy at work" about 40 years ago. I am a CCW permit holder in New York State. I understand the law in regards to an unregisitered handgun. I don't want to keep this gun, I have no idea of the history other they stated here.

Anyone see an issue with my turning it in to the local police department.

357 Python · February 26, 2012, 09:57 PM

Not knowing New York law I would contact an attorney who is well versed in NY gun laws and have him/her turn it in for you.

Herr Walther · February 26, 2012, 10:06 PM

Very good idea. You should have attorney/client privilage working for you.

TXAZ · February 26, 2012, 10:29 PM

I thought that's what the East River was for

+1 what Python said (unless you have a big grinder)

= humor for the humor impaired

Don H · February 26, 2012, 10:58 PM

If I were in this position, I'd fire up the cutting torch or the metal-cutting bandsaw, cut it into a few pieces and dispose of it in the trash over a couple of week's time. No federal laws would be violated ( I don't know what state laws might apply in your state).

ScottRiqui · February 26, 2012, 11:04 PM

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If I were in this position, I'd fire up the cutting torch or the metal-cutting bandsaw, cut it into a few pieces and dispose of it in the trash over a couple of week's time. No federal laws would be violated ( I don't know what state laws might apply in your state).

To be certain this is the case, be sure to cut the gun apart so that the entire serial number remains intact on one of the pieces. It's a federal felony to deface or remove the serial number on a gun.

Buzzard Bait · February 26, 2012, 11:07 PM

Move to Texas bring the gun with you no problem here
bb

jimbob86 · February 26, 2012, 11:15 PM

....and when you go (to TX), take some rain with you ...I hear they'd appreciate that immensely ......

C0untZer0 · February 27, 2012, 12:59 AM

This is where where some Illinois politicians want to take my state.

Ciminializing an otherwise legal firearm through a draconian registration process.

I echo the other sentiments expressed to get legal advice. It's also a shame that this imposes an extra financial burden on legal gunowners - the fact that you even have to spend money paying a lawyer for something like this.

And I sincerely doubt that this registration law that is adversly affecting you aids law enforcement at all or reduces crime one iota.

Good luck

SHNOMIDO · February 27, 2012, 01:02 AM

can you register it? why is that out of the question?

Isn't there some case law that they cant arrest you for trying to register an unregistered gun because there's no way to do it except doing it?

Patriot86 · February 27, 2012, 01:03 AM

Call a lawyer or destroy the gun. NYC is probably #1 in my books for gun unfriendly just behind the whole state of NJ and California.
My father moved out of NYC in the 70's and the cops came to his old address (his fathers home) about 4 times over the next 10 years asking why he hadn't renewed his gun registration or something to that effect. That was in the 70's and 80's too...I imagine its only gotten worse.

hoytinak · February 27, 2012, 01:20 AM

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Move to Texas bring the gun with you no problem here

Heck no, we don't need any New York imports....

Personally, I wouldn't have even mentioned it and destroyed it. They're not worth keeping anyways.

jimbob86 · February 27, 2012, 02:57 AM

Hoyt, it is not the value of the thing, or even the thing itself, but the principle of the thing..... that is why things have gottne so screwed up: lack of principles.

Uncle Buck · February 27, 2012, 09:11 AM

I know a man who was a convicted felon and he ran in to a situation almost exactly like yours. He took the gun to his lawyer and the lawyer "got rid of it" for him.

AH.74 · February 27, 2012, 09:21 AM

This can't be a unique situation.

It was your father's gun. I would not be so quick to give it away or destroy it. I would first see if there is a way that it can properly become yours or for you to be able to sell it.

NJgunowner · February 27, 2012, 09:23 AM

Seriously, put it up for sale on gunbroker or something.

shortwave · February 27, 2012, 11:20 AM

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This can't be a unique situation

My thoughts also.

Forty years ago, maybe the law was different when the gun was purchased as it is now.

As the late fathers son, if you want the gun, it may be possible it can be passed to you with the proper paperwork.
If you don't want it and deem it's not worth your efforts of finding out the legalities of selling it, render it unusable( a hammer works wonders BUT DON'T MESS UP SER.#) and give it to LE. But I would expect to answer questions about the guns history.

**Tom Servo** · February 27, 2012, 11:58 AM

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Move to Texas bring the gun with you no problem here

That's not an acceptable or useful answer.

Check with a lawyer who knows the gun laws. If the gun can't be made legal, he should help you make the arrangements to turn it in to law enforcement. Just be sure it's done in his office, with him present, and you should be fine.

The only other possibility is to turn it in to a gunsmith for destruction.

carguychris · February 27, 2012, 12:03 PM

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Seriously, put it up for sale on gunbroker or something.

RG 14's are worth so little that a GB auction isn't going to garner much interest.

A legal interstate handgun transaction is typically going to require $35-$60 in shipment/FFL costs on the seller's end and another $10-$40 on the buyer's end, and few people can justify this to obtain a revolver that's probably not worth more than $100.

I agree with the local gunsmith or law-enforcement disposal idea.

armoredman · February 27, 2012, 02:43 PM

I think you would be very lucky to turn $100 on an RG of any stripe. Destroy it through an attorney.

orangello · February 27, 2012, 02:53 PM

Isn't that the same model as was used in Hinkley's assasination attempt on Pres. Reagan? My nephew has one; it doesn't seem worth the time to keep.

Onward Allusion · February 27, 2012, 02:56 PM

Time for a sledgehammer or cutting torch.

Farmalljon · February 27, 2012, 03:09 PM

I'm speechless at the number of you that are advocationg the destruction of a perfectly good firearm. I understand that the laws in your states are different than here in Maine. I will be MORE than happy to provide the OP with the address of the FFL to ship it to, and a check for the shipping. Throw it in a box and take it to the post office. I will give it a good home. I'm serious....send me a PM with your address to send the shipping payment to, and then you can consider the revolver "gone away".

JimPage · February 27, 2012, 03:20 PM

ALL THE PREVIOUS ADVICE IS BOGUS AND ILLEGAL FOR THE MOST PART!

I have been in a similar situation. Lock the gun up with your other guns. Go to the pistol licensing office and explain the situation. They will run the serial number through the computer to see if it is a crime gun (listed as stolen, etc).

If it isn't a crime gun, they will put it on your license for you. If it is they will want you to turn it in. It's simple. I think they charged me about $10.

Cutting it up, smuggling it across state lines will get you in trouble with the law.

Now that I have given my advice, let me tell you one more thing. Never take legal advice from someone you don't know on the internet. Research it yourself or ask an attorney.

Farmalljon · February 27, 2012, 03:28 PM

A private US citizen who is a resident of any US state, boxing up a firearm and sending it to a FFL holder in ANY other US state is perfectly legal and can hardly be construed as "smuggling a gun across state lines".

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Now that I have given my advice, let me tell you one more thing. Never take legal advice from someone you don't know on the internet. Research it yourself or ask an attorney.

This, however, is the best advice I have seen in this thread so far.

February 26, 2012, 10:06 PM	#3
Herr Walther Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2001 Location: A Place Worse than California Posts: 782	Very good idea. You should have attorney/client privilage working for you. __________________ "It was people who upheld their duties to their office, the constitution, and the public by opposing Hitler who were called traitors" ------------------------------------- "...a historian asked what had happened to the German people for them to accept a criminal government. Unfortunately, nothing needed to happen. In nations across the world people accept government crime." ------------------------------------- "In democracies as well as dictatorships, subordinates illegally obey their rulers. Subordinates who remain true to their oaths of office by opposing their rulers are rare."

February 26, 2012, 10:29 PM	#4
TXAZ Senior Member Join Date: September 5, 2010 Location: McMurdo Sound Texas Posts: 4,322	I thought that's what the East River was for +1 what Python said (unless you have a big grinder) = humor for the humor impaired __________________ Cave illos in guns et backhoes

February 26, 2012, 10:58 PM	#5
Don H Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2000 Location: SLC,Utah Posts: 2,704	If I were in this position, I'd fire up the cutting torch or the metal-cutting bandsaw, cut it into a few pieces and dispose of it in the trash over a couple of week's time. No federal laws would be violated ( I don't know what state laws might apply in your state). __________________ Don http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/forum/

February 26, 2012, 11:07 PM	#7
Buzzard Bait Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 502	load up the truck and move Move to Texas bring the gun with you no problem here bb

February 27, 2012, 09:11 AM	#14
Uncle Buck Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2009 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 2,592	I know a man who was a convicted felon and he ran in to a situation almost exactly like yours. He took the gun to his lawyer and the lawyer "got rid of it" for him. __________________ Inside Every Bright Idea Is The 50% Probability Of A Disaster Waiting To Happen.

February 26, 2012, 06:22 PM	#1
Garybock Member Join Date: March 24, 2010 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 97	Illegal handgun While helping to move my elderly mother from the family home to an assisted living arrangement I found an RG 14 - 22 LR revolver. Mom said that my late father bought it from "some guy at work" about 40 years ago. I am a CCW permit holder in New York State. I understand the law in regards to an unregisitered handgun. I don't want to keep this gun, I have no idea of the history other they stated here. Anyone see an issue with my turning it in to the local police department. Last edited by Garybock; February 26, 2012 at 07:35 PM.

February 26, 2012, 09:57 PM	#2
357 Python Senior Member Join Date: June 7, 2007 Location: Charlottesville, VA Posts: 941	Not knowing New York law I would contact an attorney who is well versed in NY gun laws and have him/her turn it in for you.

February 26, 2012, 11:15 PM	#8
jimbob86 Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 8,722	....and when you go (to TX), take some rain with you ...I hear they'd appreciate that immensely ......

February 27, 2012, 12:59 AM	#9
C0untZer0 Junior member Join Date: April 21, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,555	This is where where some Illinois politicians want to take my state. Ciminializing an otherwise legal firearm through a draconian registration process. I echo the other sentiments expressed to get legal advice. It's also a shame that this imposes an extra financial burden on legal gunowners - the fact that you even have to spend money paying a lawyer for something like this. And I sincerely doubt that this registration law that is adversly affecting you aids law enforcement at all or reduces crime one iota. Good luck

February 27, 2012, 01:02 AM	#10
SHNOMIDO Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 423	can you register it? why is that out of the question? Isn't there some case law that they cant arrest you for trying to register an unregistered gun because there's no way to do it except doing it?

February 27, 2012, 01:03 AM	#11
Patriot86 Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2010 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,293	Call a lawyer or destroy the gun. NYC is probably #1 in my books for gun unfriendly just behind the whole state of NJ and California. My father moved out of NYC in the 70's and the cops came to his old address (his fathers home) about 4 times over the next 10 years asking why he hadn't renewed his gun registration or something to that effect. That was in the 70's and 80's too...I imagine its only gotten worse.

February 27, 2012, 02:57 AM	#13
jimbob86 Junior member Join Date: October 4, 2007 Location: All the way to NEBRASKA Posts: 8,722	Hoyt, it is not the value of the thing, or even the thing itself, but the principle of the thing..... that is why things have gottne so screwed up: lack of principles.

February 27, 2012, 09:21 AM	#15
AH.74 Junior member Join Date: October 13, 2008 Location: Hermit's Peak Posts: 623	This can't be a unique situation. It was your father's gun. I would not be so quick to give it away or destroy it. I would first see if there is a way that it can properly become yours or for you to be able to sell it.

February 27, 2012, 09:23 AM	#16
NJgunowner Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 1,254	Seriously, put it up for sale on gunbroker or something.

February 27, 2012, 02:43 PM	#20
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,299	I think you would be very lucky to turn $100 on an RG of any stripe. Destroy it through an attorney.

February 27, 2012, 02:53 PM	#21
orangello Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2009 Posts: 566	Isn't that the same model as was used in Hinkley's assasination attempt on Pres. Reagan? My nephew has one; it doesn't seem worth the time to keep.

February 27, 2012, 02:56 PM	#22
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	Time for a sledgehammer or cutting torch. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

February 27, 2012, 03:09 PM	#23
Farmalljon Member Join Date: February 19, 2012 Posts: 72	I'm speechless at the number of you that are advocationg the destruction of a perfectly good firearm. I understand that the laws in your states are different than here in Maine. I will be MORE than happy to provide the OP with the address of the FFL to ship it to, and a check for the shipping. Throw it in a box and take it to the post office. I will give it a good home. I'm serious....send me a PM with your address to send the shipping payment to, and then you can consider the revolver "gone away".

February 27, 2012, 03:20 PM	#24
JimPage Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2010 Location: Rome, NY Posts: 941	ALL THE PREVIOUS ADVICE IS BOGUS AND ILLEGAL FOR THE MOST PART! I have been in a similar situation. Lock the gun up with your other guns. Go to the pistol licensing office and explain the situation. They will run the serial number through the computer to see if it is a crime gun (listed as stolen, etc). If it isn't a crime gun, they will put it on your license for you. If it is they will want you to turn it in. It's simple. I think they charged me about $10. Cutting it up, smuggling it across state lines will get you in trouble with the law. Now that I have given my advice, let me tell you one more thing. Never take legal advice from someone you don't know on the internet. Research it yourself or ask an attorney.