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Old June 3, 2012, 08:28 PM   #1
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140g 6.5x55 QuickLoad request

if somebody would be kind enough to run this for me i would really appreciate it. if not, i understand, this being my first post and all.



Firearm:
BRNO commercial mauser action
26" douglas
6.5x55 SE

Components:
140g hornady amax
COAL 3.08"
new lapua brass
cci bench rest primer

Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi

up to 104% max case


Thanks!
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Old June 3, 2012, 08:53 PM   #2
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63,000 psi ??? The Norma book of 40 years ago showed loads less than 48,000 and more recently that was reduced . How did you arrive at 63,000 ?

If you want faster then get a 65-06 or 6.5-284 or 264WMag !!
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Old June 3, 2012, 09:26 PM   #3
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QuickLoad maxes the 6.5x55 Swedish at 55ksi, and Hornady's published loads appear to stick below 47,000psi or so

That said:

Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy)
Vihtavuori N560
Accurate MAGPRO
IMR 7828

...do best for ~52ksi/HNDY 140 AMax, full case, 95-98% burn, and good velocities (2,850-ish)... but I hesitate to recommend actual loadout weights.

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Old June 4, 2012, 07:11 AM   #4
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Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 140, HDY A-MAX 26322
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.080 inch or 78.23 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 104 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP                          104.0     49.2     3.19    2979    99.9    60046   10523   1.252  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC                       104.0     48.4     3.14    2944    98.4    59906   10374   1.245  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                        103.2     46.5     3.02    2936    99.4    63000    9860   1.226  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19                 103.8     47.1     3.05    2936    99.5    63000    9927   1.234  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                      99.3     46.5     3.01    2930   100.0    63000    9561   1.240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4350                       99.0     44.6     2.89    2928   100.0    63000    9397   1.233  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                      93.7     45.0     2.91    2926   100.0    63000    9587   1.243  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560                    104.0     48.2     3.12    2918    97.6    56845   10630   1.281  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365                       101.1     45.6     2.96    2915   100.0    63000    8849   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4350                           101.5     44.1     2.86    2914   100.0    63000    9375   1.239  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         104.0     47.2     3.06    2914    99.4    61935    9823   1.244  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                  91.5     43.5     2.82    2913   100.0    63000    8993   1.230  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                        101.6     46.1     2.99    2909    99.3    63000    9658   1.236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                           98.4     46.1     2.99    2909    99.3    63000    9658   1.236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          101.6     46.1     2.99    2909    99.3    63000    9658   1.236  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                     96.0     44.5     2.88    2906   100.0    63000    9260   1.253  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                           98.8     44.3     2.87    2905   100.0    63000    9128   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          98.8     44.3     2.87    2905   100.0    63000    9125   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                        91.4     44.1     2.86    2903    99.9    63000    9452   1.251  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2213                        104.0     47.7     3.09    2903    98.0    58199   10221   1.262  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      102.4     44.4     2.88    2901   100.0    63000    9077   1.265  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385                       104.0     47.7     3.09    2898    99.8    62982    9452   1.255  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO                    104.0     50.1     3.25    2896    96.1    55905   10645   1.297  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-22                 104.0     47.7     3.09    2891    99.0    56358   10236   1.293  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15                       104.0     47.7     3.09    2891    99.0    56358   10236   1.293  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       104.0     47.7     3.09    2891    99.0    56358   10236   1.293  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4831                           103.7     45.0     2.92    2887   100.0    63000    8920   1.258  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780             102.2     48.9     3.17    2886    99.3    63000    9417   1.240  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   104.0     47.7     3.09    2882    97.8    61107    9724   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot BigGame                     92.2     43.2     2.80    2881   100.0    63000    8800   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   92.3     43.2     2.80    2880   100.0    63000    8788   1.249  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S361                       100.1     48.3     3.13    2879    99.8    63000    9230   1.253  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R904                      102.4     45.8     2.97    2877    98.7    63000    9416   1.241  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex-S0701                         98.4     44.1     2.86    2868   100.0    63000    9103   1.260  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-15                  89.9     40.8     2.64    2862   100.0    63000    8669   1.256  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA11                        89.9     40.8     2.64    2862   100.0    63000    8669   1.256  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          89.9     40.8     2.64    2862   100.0    63000    8669   1.256  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                        91.2     42.3     2.74    2860   100.0    63000    8807   1.260  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203B                          90.3     40.9     2.65    2857   100.0    63000    8605   1.258  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 516                 88.0     42.5     2.76    2853   100.0    63000    8715   1.251  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                       84.9     42.0     2.72    2848   100.0    63000    8501   1.262  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R907                       96.1     42.8     2.77    2847    99.8    63000    8972   1.255  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC                        93.1     42.8     2.77    2846    99.8    63000    8966   1.255  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 203 old                       91.5     41.9     2.72    2845   100.0    63000    8472   1.272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex-S0651                         97.2     43.1     2.80    2843   100.0    63000    8738   1.261  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                            91.8     41.0     2.65    2843   100.0    63000    8365   1.244  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                       93.6     42.0     2.72    2840   100.0    63000    8391   1.272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                            91.6     40.2     2.60    2838   100.0    63000    8426   1.242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                104.0     44.1     2.86    2838   100.0    61180    8355   1.266  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                        93.7     41.6     2.69    2837   100.0    63000    8418   1.266  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    87.8     41.1     2.66    2836   100.0    63000    8406   1.254  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                      82.5     40.3     2.61    2834   100.0    63000    8185   1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon VARGET                      92.7     40.7     2.64    2829   100.0    63000    8399   1.248  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2208                         92.4     40.7     2.64    2829   100.0    63000    8399   1.248  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy)           104.0     50.5     3.27    2829    97.4    51529   10310   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      104.0     46.8     3.03    2820    97.1    54353    9835   1.317  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  104.0     50.3     3.26    2820    97.4    51083   10268   1.336  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        86.1     42.0     2.72    2819   100.0    63000    8177   1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064                            93.2     39.9     2.59    2819   100.0    63000    8212   1.253  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 507                 84.6     40.0     2.59    2818   100.0    63000    8170   1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC                         82.3     39.9     2.59    2817   100.0    63000    8153   1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 517                104.0     50.3     3.26    2815    97.2    50790   10269   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        82.9     40.5     2.62    2814   100.0    63000    8193   1.264  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WXR                     104.0     46.7     3.02    2812    98.1    51514   10045   1.346  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530                     83.9     38.3     2.48    2809   100.0    63000    8074   1.257  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex-S0621                         90.9     40.1     2.60    2808   100.0    63000    8085   1.268  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2520                       86.7     40.5     2.63    2804   100.0    63000    7945   1.278  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                       92.4     40.5     2.63    2804   100.0    63000    7939   1.254  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 201                           84.5     39.1     2.54    2800   100.0    63000    8054   1.271  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                            89.1     37.8     2.45    2799   100.0    63000    7772   1.268  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2700                       94.1     44.1     2.86    2798    99.7    63000    8459   1.261  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064                       95.2     40.4     2.62    2797   100.0    63000    7927   1.295  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N150                     98.8     42.3     2.74    2792   100.0    63000    7938   1.267  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R902                       89.9     39.3     2.55    2791   100.0    63000    7950   1.272  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N540                     89.7     41.1     2.67    2788   100.0    63000    7972   1.268  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan Sp 7                    80.6     39.2     2.54    2788   100.0    63000    7847   1.278  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335                        79.0     39.1     2.53    2786   100.0    63000    7826   1.263  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   78.7     38.1     2.47    2783   100.0    63000    7784   1.264  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 202                           87.5     39.0     2.53    2783   100.0    63000    7800   1.269  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 508                 78.6     38.2     2.47    2782   100.0    63000    7774   1.264  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
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Old June 4, 2012, 07:16 AM   #5
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sorry, i should have elaborated more. this is mainly for research purposes at this point, but when i start working up some loads i will be starting at safe levels below published max and slowly working up till i find the combo i'm looking for. (may never get past m96 levels) most books have max loads that are safe in m96 mausers, my rifle is a modern commercial m98 action and can handle pressures much higher than a m96 with no pressure signs.

i am just curious about some slower powders that i'm having trouble finding load info for. i dont generally load compressed loads, 104% at 63k should be a pretty full case at more moderate pressures.

this is all for research, no intentions of ever getting up to those kind of pressures! just looking at velocity and case capacity relationships of some slower powders.

if someone could run quickload at 50k, 55k, and 63k that would be even better!

thanks for all your input so far.
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Old June 4, 2012, 07:18 AM   #6
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--thanks steve4102, i must have been typing that reply as you posted.
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Old June 4, 2012, 07:25 AM   #7
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7828 ssc is one of the slow burners i was interested in due to the speed and relative lack of pressure.

if you get a chance, would you mind running a powder workup on 7828ssc?

thanks for your time,
chris
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Old June 4, 2012, 07:49 AM   #8
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MRP looks great, just cant find it. anyone know a source?
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Old June 4, 2012, 06:30 PM   #9
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MRP looks great, just cant find it. anyone know a source?
Western Powders is the New Norma powder distributor. It's my understanding that they will have it on the shelves sometime this summer.
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Old June 4, 2012, 06:34 PM   #10
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thanks, their site doesnt have it yet but i'll check back every few weeks.
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Old June 5, 2012, 12:00 PM   #11
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Steve, I've a curious question. I can understand that QL is all about the hypothetical, so. This model has a 26"tube and 3.080"OAL cart. How much or is there any jump by the bullet into the rifling for prediction purposes in this case? TIA
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Old June 5, 2012, 04:56 PM   #12
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Duno, I would have to think so. This is very complex software and I am sure I will never be able to utilize all of it's capabilities. There is a ton of stuff QL will do that is way beyond my limited ballistic and computer knowledge.

If you want to know all the things QL can do UncleNick is the guy to explain it, certainly not me.
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Old June 5, 2012, 05:47 PM   #13
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If I may join , I've been cooking loads for this caliber for some time , excellent caliber very accurate and easy to load I use Berger vld (hunting ) 140 gr for my Swedish mauser and howa 1500 this two have that very long trout and the Berger's are the perfect combination
I'm getting .075" MOA in 5 shoot groups on the howa.

I also load for a CZ 550 but on this one I use the Hornady A-max 123gr for a 1-9" twist .

I got 9# of Viht N-140 that I'll like to use on the Swedish does any one have load data for 140gr pills.

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Old June 5, 2012, 06:16 PM   #14
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No.

If you want Quickload, buy it.

I have no patience with folks who want copywrited data or the benefit of a program I own.

I have even less use for folks who provide such things.

But it does help me know who is who.
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Wow that , hurt
I wasn't trying to sound that way.

Sorry.
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Old June 5, 2012, 06:54 PM   #16
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And on that note:
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Cartridge          : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet             : .264, 140, Hornady A-MAX 26332
Useable Case Capaci: 51.062 grain H2O = 3.315 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.080 inch = 78.23 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828


Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.7   91    41.65   2456    1875   34328   8961     90.9    1.603
-09.6   92    42.15   2487    1923   35514   9098     91.5    1.582
-08.6   93    42.65   2519    1972   36743   9232     92.2    1.560
-07.5   94    43.15   2550    2022   38017   9363     92.8    1.534
-06.4   95    43.65   2582    2072   39337   9491     93.4    1.510
-05.4   97    44.15   2613    2123   40711   9616     94.0    1.485
-04.3   98    44.65   2645    2175   42134   9736     94.5    1.461
-03.2   99    45.15   2676    2227   43611   9853     95.1    1.438
-02.1  100    45.65   2708    2280   45145   9966     95.6    1.415
-01.1  101    46.15   2740    2334   46738  10075     96.1    1.392
+00.0  102    46.65   2772    2388   48392  10179     96.5    1.370  ! Near Maximum !
+01.1  103    47.15   2803    2443   50111  10280     96.9    1.348  ! Near Maximum !
+02.1  104    47.65   2835    2498   51898  10375     97.3    1.327  ! Near Maximum !
+03.2  105    48.15   2867    2555   53757  10465     97.7    1.306  ! Near Maximum !
+04.3  106    48.65   2898    2611   55687  10551     98.1    1.285  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4  107    49.15   2930    2669   57700  10631     98.4    1.265  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
This gives you a reasonable spread from min-to-max of the OP's IMR7828 interest, a powder which provides well-behaved pressures and good burn completion. READ & HEED the warnings at 55,000 and above Note also that "105%" in QuickLoad generally means you will not have started/are just starting compression. (But since I'm using a default case volume instead of a measured one, that's just an educated estimate of where the curve kicks over)

Remember also that these are just computer-calculated internal ballistics--not results of pressure test.

...and sometimes.... seeing what a product can do for you is its own best advertising.

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Old June 6, 2012, 06:46 AM   #17
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Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it.
FWIW, I do plan on purchasing quickload when the funds are available and I start loading more than one or two cal.

"...and sometimes.... seeing what a product can do for you is its own best advertising. "

I could not agree with you more, I think the quickload help sells the product.
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