Liability - Page 2

Edward429451 · July 15, 2006, 10:35 AM

Wouldn't you have to make a profit on the ammo to have an implied liability? If it's his componants or he paid for them at least, then there would be no legal expectation of marketability or servicability or warrantability. I like the use his brass idea.

Jammer Six · July 17, 2006, 02:31 AM

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That may be a little too confrontational, but I'll attribute it to style. Is there something wrong with the link? I don't always expect a respondent to go to the trouble to ferret out the applicable portions of a reference and spoon feed them here. A link is usually good enough. WESHOOT2 dug it out of the text, we can too.

That's nice.

I don't have a problem with confrontation, and this one hit home.

A citation, which is what "cite" is slang for, is a specific, definable piece of documentation. Anyone who has ever contributed to a knowledge base, written a paper for a college course, or, as we see here, posted to the internet knows exactly what a citation is, and how they are written.

No one is above being asked for a cite. Real scholars and real experts are pleased to demonstrate that expertise and professionalism by providing them UNASKED, in the body of a claim, or as a footnote, let alone when they are called upon to do so.

It is the difference between a foolish claim on an insignificant board on the internet by an anonymous fool pulling "facts", "figures", and "stuff" out of his neither regions and genuine, documented, valid information.

No one here has a reputation, and the claim that one was "impinged" made my day.

I needed the laugh.

Real reputations are created by expert opinion, with expertise that can be verified.

Gee? How would we do that?

Oh, wait, I know...

Made the boy swear, too.

One.

WESHOOT2 · July 17, 2006, 05:50 AM

The ATF does not require 'business'; they wrote "transfer".

I am sorry this subject makes folks less civil (me included) but I don't need to invent stuff. I just can't find all my ATF paperwork....LOL

I am not anonymous.......

918v · July 17, 2006, 12:57 PM

http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC922.html

Here is the text, read it yourself. It is perfectly legal to load ammo for your friend, unless you make a BUSINESS out of it.

gwalchmai · July 18, 2006, 08:44 AM

In my totally unsolicited (and by no means expert) opinion, the legal costs associated with defending against a civil suit from your buddy's widow or insurance company are just not worth the good will or savings you might be able to provide him. Let him buy his own components and show him how to reload on your press. Then you've taught him to fish.

WESHOOT2 · July 20, 2006, 05:29 AM

The feloney is (was?) described in the tax liabilities section.....

MADISON · July 20, 2006, 08:34 AM

To load for somebody other than your self the BATF requires a a "Manufacturer's License and a minimum of $1,000,000 [one million] in liability insurance.
There is a way to get around this...
[1] Let the person buy all the components they will need.
[2] Teach them hoow to reload the round they want.
[3] Supervis their loading.
They take the responsibility for their own loads.

918v · July 20, 2006, 11:21 AM

Wee,

Please provide a link to what you are looking at. Everything I have seen applies to business activity.

918v · July 20, 2006, 11:48 AM

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#h4

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(H4) Is a person who reloads ammunition required to be licensed as a manufacturer? [Back]

Yes, if the person engages in the business of selling or distributing reloads for the purpose of livelihood and profit. No, if the person reloads only for personal use.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a) (i) and 923(a), 27 CFR 478.41]

Jammer Six · July 20, 2006, 02:35 PM

Two.

July 17, 2006, 05:50 AM	#28
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	I know how to swear / who you callin' boy? The ATF does not require 'business'; they wrote "transfer". I am sorry this subject makes folks less civil (me included) but I don't need to invent stuff. I just can't find all my ATF paperwork....LOL I am not anonymous....... __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

July 20, 2006, 05:29 AM	#31
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	no, that ain't it The feloney is (was?) described in the tax liabilities section..... __________________ . "all my ammo is mostly retired factory ammo"

July 20, 2006, 08:34 AM	#32
MADISON Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2000 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 2,678	Handloading and Reloading Liability To load for somebody other than your self the BATF requires a a "Manufacturer's License and a minimum of $1,000,000 [one million] in liability insurance. There is a way to get around this... [1] Let the person buy all the components they will need. [2] Teach them hoow to reload the round they want. [3] Supervis their loading. They take the responsibility for their own loads.

July 20, 2006, 02:35 PM	#35
Jammer Six Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 827	Two. __________________ "Huh?" --Jammer Six, 1998

July 15, 2006, 10:35 AM	#26
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	Wouldn't you have to make a profit on the ammo to have an implied liability? If it's his componants or he paid for them at least, then there would be no legal expectation of marketability or servicability or warrantability. I like the use his brass idea.

July 17, 2006, 12:57 PM	#29
918v Junior member Join Date: September 25, 2005 Posts: 1,372	http://trac.syr.edu/laws/18USC922.html Here is the text, read it yourself. It is perfectly legal to load ammo for your friend, unless you make a BUSINESS out of it.

July 18, 2006, 08:44 AM	#30
gwalchmai Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2001 Location: outside the perimeter Posts: 333	In my totally unsolicited (and by no means expert) opinion, the legal costs associated with defending against a civil suit from your buddy's widow or insurance company are just not worth the good will or savings you might be able to provide him. Let him buy his own components and show him how to reload on your press. Then you've taught him to fish.

July 20, 2006, 11:21 AM	#33
918v Junior member Join Date: September 25, 2005 Posts: 1,372	Wee, Please provide a link to what you are looking at. Everything I have seen applies to business activity.