What would you do ...

Hook686 · December 15, 2010, 12:36 AM

... if you were loading your child in a car seat and gun fire broke out in the parking lot you were in ?

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/14/mo...at-calif-mall/

It happened in Sacramento, CA. I suspect rival gangs

tet4 · December 15, 2010, 01:46 AM

Get both of yourselves on the ground as fast as possible.

DiCarnage · December 15, 2010, 02:07 AM

The responses to a situation like this are far too fluid and dynamic to answer from such a general question.
As a father of TWO car seat aged children (an infant and a toddler) it really does make all the difference in the world to have some specifics.
Does the gunfire erupt in front of me, or behind? Can I see the involved parties or only hear the ruckus? Is it close or relatively distant?
All factors that would affect my real-life response.
My infant always goes into the car first, so if she's already belted in and I'm just about to seat the toddler, is my infant between me and the gunplay or further away from it?
How far has my toddler gotten in the "strapping in" process? The majority of gunfire exchanges are over in about 10 seconds or less. If she's already strapped in the best I could hope to do is keep my body between her and the shooters, rather than try to get her unfastened, out of the car, then safely to the ground.
Come up with a quick, specific scenario and let's try again.

kenno · December 15, 2010, 02:48 AM

I can tell you what happens when things go wrong.
I can see how forces will flow across the landscape.
I can prevent this as a seawall stops the tide, for a moment. But no one can stop the ocean.
I lived through the 1960's-70's, I know the Radical Mentality. I know why the Hollywood elite were murdered

ClayInTx · December 15, 2010, 09:39 AM

HUH???!!!

Skans · December 15, 2010, 10:02 AM

Forget the child seat, put the kid on the floor of the vehicle, crawl into the vehicle with the child, close and lock the doors.....then try to get your gun, crawl to the front, if possible, and get out of there....call 911 if possible - after you and the kid are locked inside your car.

thesheepdog · December 15, 2010, 11:13 AM

I second what Skans said.

HotShot.444 · December 15, 2010, 11:48 AM

Delete less-than-gracious comment. I'm apologizing for expressing less understanding of poetry and philosophy than I'm used to. .444

atlctyslkr · December 15, 2010, 11:57 AM

Start the car and drive off as fast as you can.

markj · December 15, 2010, 04:10 PM

Poor gal died, shot after she stood up after putting the child in the seat. Had no warning?

If I am placing my son or any child into a car seat (son is to old and big for them now) and gun shots rang out. I would cover my son with my body to shield him until shooting stopped then get the heck out of there fast. As fat as I am

no handgun round will go thru me

or so I hope.

I dont shop in malls since 9/11, I stay out of places where a lot of people gather. Shop locally, stay home at night on the farm.

Skans · December 15, 2010, 04:57 PM

Quote:

I dont shop in malls since 9/11, I stay out of places where a lot of people gather. Shop locally, stay home at night on the farm.

I can't argue with that - I was at a Mall a couple weeks ago - looked like Gangsta-Town....probably mostly posers, but you never know. It creeped me out and I couldn't wait to get out of there. Any place that has a kiosk full of Mr. T. gold chains is a place begging for a crime to happen.

Maybe we really need folks like Gecko45 protecting our Malls.

Krav Maga · January 8, 2011, 09:10 AM

With a child,everything changes.Unless the shots were directed at me,im getting out asap.

December 15, 2010, 12:36 AM	#1
Hook686 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2005 Location: USA The Great State of California Posts: 2,090	What would you do ... ... if you were loading your child in a car seat and gun fire broke out in the parking lot you were in ? http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/14/mo...at-calif-mall/ It happened in Sacramento, CA. I suspect rival gangs __________________ Hook686 When the number of people in institutions reaches 51%, we change sides.

December 15, 2010, 02:48 AM	#4
kenno Junior member Join Date: November 3, 2008 Posts: 180	I can tell you what happens when things go wrong. I can see how forces will flow across the landscape. I can prevent this as a seawall stops the tide, for a moment. But no one can stop the ocean. I lived through the 1960's-70's, I know the Radical Mentality. I know why the Hollywood elite were murdered Last edited by kenno; December 15, 2010 at 03:04 AM.

December 15, 2010, 11:13 AM	#7
thesheepdog Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2010 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 1,996	I second what Skans said. __________________ Krav Maga/Judo Qualified Rifleman/Marksmanship Instructor/Lic. Medic "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit" Romans 8:1

December 15, 2010, 11:48 AM	#8
HotShot.444 Junior member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Posts: 112	"Double-Huhhh?" Delete less-than-gracious comment. I'm apologizing for expressing less understanding of poetry and philosophy than I'm used to. .444 Last edited by HotShot.444; December 15, 2010 at 12:35 PM. Reason: Gentlemanliness on topic

January 8, 2011, 09:10 AM	#12
Krav Maga Member Join Date: January 7, 2011 Location: GA USA Posts: 16	With a child,everything changes.Unless the shots were directed at me,im getting out asap. __________________ Springfield Armory TRP (twins) Stoeger Coach Defense,sawed off,with Surefire X300 Bushmaster .308 Remington 700,suppressed

December 15, 2010, 01:46 AM	#2
tet4 Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 2009 Posts: 232	Get both of yourselves on the ground as fast as possible.

December 15, 2010, 02:07 AM	#3
DiCarnage Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2010 Location: Southern Oregon. Posts: 105	The responses to a situation like this are far too fluid and dynamic to answer from such a general question. As a father of TWO car seat aged children (an infant and a toddler) it really does make all the difference in the world to have some specifics. Does the gunfire erupt in front of me, or behind? Can I see the involved parties or only hear the ruckus? Is it close or relatively distant? All factors that would affect my real-life response. My infant always goes into the car first, so if she's already belted in and I'm just about to seat the toddler, is my infant between me and the gunplay or further away from it? How far has my toddler gotten in the "strapping in" process? The majority of gunfire exchanges are over in about 10 seconds or less. If she's already strapped in the best I could hope to do is keep my body between her and the shooters, rather than try to get her unfastened, out of the car, then safely to the ground. Come up with a quick, specific scenario and let's try again.

December 15, 2010, 09:39 AM	#5
ClayInTx Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,066	HUH???!!!

December 15, 2010, 10:02 AM	#6
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Forget the child seat, put the kid on the floor of the vehicle, crawl into the vehicle with the child, close and lock the doors.....then try to get your gun, crawl to the front, if possible, and get out of there....call 911 if possible - *after* you and the kid are locked inside your car.

December 15, 2010, 11:57 AM	#9
atlctyslkr Senior Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 613	Start the car and drive off as fast as you can.

December 15, 2010, 04:10 PM	#10
markj Senior Member Join Date: October 27, 2005 Location: Crescent Iowa Posts: 2,971	Poor gal died, shot after she stood up after putting the child in the seat. Had no warning? If I am placing my son or any child into a car seat (son is to old and big for them now) and gun shots rang out. I would cover my son with my body to shield him until shooting stopped then get the heck out of there fast. As fat as I am no handgun round will go thru me or so I hope. I dont shop in malls since 9/11, I stay out of places where a lot of people gather. Shop locally, stay home at night on the farm.