Is carrying 2 guns overkill?

[Creature]

Anyone else in here that has been an LEO or received advanced training will probably agree that Ayoob is more regarded as a fiction writer in professional circles than anything else.

Really? You...and who else?

[Playboypenguin]

Stephen King doesnt claim his stories to be life experiences..

Stephen King often writes from a first person perspective. To an ignorant reader it could seem he is making claims that he experienced the events. The trick with writings is to know when to take them at face value and when to validate their contents. Knowing when to accept something and fact and when to accept it s fiction is very important.

Can we please address the topic and answer the questions as to "How often does he claim this has happened? Who has it happened to? What was the outcome?"

[Creature]

Stephen King often writes from a first person perspective. To an ignorant reader it could seem he is making claims that he experienced the events.

Dude....its a style of narration in writing. Its called "the first person" for a reason. Stephen King stories are still fantasy. I seriously doubt if Mas Ayoob is writing less from personal experience, as he claims, than as an effective style of fantasy writing using the first person.

[Playboypenguin]

Dude....its a style of narration in writing. Its called "the first person" for a reason. Stephen King stories are still fantasy. I seriously doubt if Mas Ayoob is writing less from personal experience, as he claims, than as an effective style of fantasy writing using the first person.

Then you will have no problem getting back on topic and discussing the validity of his claim. How about it?

[Creature]

Since you obviously lack any proof that Mas Ayoob's life experience claims are untrue, sure...lets get back on topic: two guns is always better than none...or one.

[Playboypenguin]

Like I thought, a while lot of defending nonsense with nothing but bluster.

Does anyone else have any real evidence to enter supporting or criticising the validity of this line of reasoning?

[Creature]

Like I thought, a while lot of defending nonsense with nothing but bluster.

What? did you mean whole?

Youre the one who made a whole lot of nonsense about Mas Ayood with nothing but bluster to back up your claim. So who again is full of it?

[Hondo11]

Really? You...and who else?

Me.


Not really on topic though...other than to debate his basis for the "carry two so you can arm someone else" theory.

[Playboypenguin]

Youre the one who made a whole lot of nonsense about Mas Ayood with nothing but bluster to back up your claim. So who again is full of it?

I addressed an idea that has little validity. Would you care to put forth information to support the idea or do you have nothing to add on topic?

[Creature]

I addressed an idea that has little validity. Would you care to put forth information to support the idea or do you have nothing to add on topic?

What ever. You made wild claims calling into question a member's personal experience's and you got promptly shut down...to which you promptly tap dance away from the issue by asking us to disprove this member authenticity...and then quickly trying to steer away from your axe grinding by claiming it isnt on topic. Nice try, Playboy. Perhaps when you make such wild claims and personally lambaste a fellow member's professional and journalistic integrity, you should first have proof to back it up.

[Michael A. Le Lack]

I carry 6, one on each ankle (2) one on each side in shoulder with 2 extra mags on each side also (2), one SOB (1) and one IWB (1)=6. All 45's so only one caliber of ammo. PS, NEVER carry in church. STEELERS have scored Already, GO BIG BEN!

[Wagonman]

Wow, you patrolling the Paki/Afgan border?

[hoytinak]

Wow, you patrolling the Paki/Afgan border?

Even then I only had the M9....oh and the M24.

[Socrates]

Yes, it is probably over-kill. Of course, statistically speaking, carrying a high capacity gun is over-kill. Heck, carrying one at all is probably over-kill. It is just a matter of with what level of "over preparedness" you personally feel comfortable.

PBP: You posted this early in the thread. It qualifies as pure Mas Ayoob. As you well know, in San Francisco, Los Angeles, I suspect Seattle, but I didn't look it up, San Diego, etc. the FBI crime statistics make you between a 1 and 14 and 1 and 22 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, per year you live there. Florida used to be about 4 times that, but, CCW has cut down the crime rate considerably.

I don't much like those odds. Being prepared is a really good idea, and, I wish I was more so...

[SilentHitz]

..oh and the M24.

I can see where one of those would be handi...given the location.

[Creature]

PS, NEVER carry in church.

I never understood this line of thinking.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...21/detail.html

God helps those that defend themselves.

[roach4047]

Hell I sleep with a B.U.G so I don't think that carrying one is overkill.

Roach

[Playboypenguin]

PBP: You posted this early in the thread. It qualifies as pure Mas Ayoob. As you well know, in San Francisco, Los Angeles, I suspect Seattle, but I didn't look it up, San Diego, etc. the FBI crime statistics make you between a 1 and 14 and 1 and 22 chance of being the victim of a violent crime, per year you live there. Florida used to be about 4 times that, but, CCW has cut down the crime rate considerably.

That is kind of a misuse of statistics. Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering. Your chances of being assaulted are much lower.

Even if you are assaulted, are you going to be involved in a multi-person running gun battle? How many shots are you even going to fire? Are you going to be recruiting aid on the spot?

There is a huge difference of considering the likelihood of an event and then choosing to be over prepared (or just preparing for the worst) and trying to justify your own opinions with fictitious story telling.

[Brian Pfleuger]

There is a huge difference of considering the likelihood of an event and then choosing to be over prepared (or just preparing for the worst) and trying to justify your own opinions with fictitious story telling.

Hey! Where were you when I tried to make that point in the "2 mags" thread?

[Playboypenguin]

Hey! Where were you when I tried to make that point in the "2 mags" thread?

Hey, I can't read every thread y'know. I do have to try and put on the illusion of having a personal life and I am trying to get our bar open.

[OldMarksman]

From Playboypenguin:

In this case, he [(Ayoob)] claims you should carry a second gun so you can arm a second person.

That's one reason, and under certain circumstances it may prove helpful indeed.

I not only find this a bit outlandish but also a bit on the irresponsible side.

OK. Each to his own. Basis? Your qualifications?

I would never hand a loaded gun to a stranger.

Has anyone suggested doing so?

Violent crime can include vandalism and breaking and entering.

No.

[SilentHitz]

are you going to be involved in a multi-person running gun battle? How many shots are you even going to fire? Are you going to be recruiting aid on the spot?

Nobody knows the answer to those questions...isn't that why we prepare in the 1st place? If all variables were known, we would know when we could just leave the house unarmed.

[Playboypenguin]

That's one reason, and under certain circumstances it may prove helpful indeed.

What circumstances and can you cite actuall examples and not hypothetical situations?

No.

Yes, they can. I have had clients convicted of violent crimes for just such acts. The legal definition of violence does not just include acts of harm against another being. It can also deal with the amount of force used in committing a crime and the resulting damages and intent. The definition of violent crime suggests that violence is a behavior by persons, against persons or property that intentionally threatens, attempts, or actually inflicts physical harm. The definition of physical harm is very far reaching.

You also have to consider that rape is one of the most common violent crimes and that is most often a crime between to involved persons.

[Brian Pfleuger]

If all variables were known, we would know when we could just leave the house unarmed.

The question is, which of those variables have a high enough probability of happening, so that I can know which ones I choose those for which I feel the need to prepare? Secondarily, one are the trade-off of preparing for any given variable?

Many, many people go out every day completely unprepared for a violent event. Why? Because the cost of preparing are too high for them. Maybe it's the cost of a gun directly. Maybe it's the cost of ridicule for being so "paranoid". There are as many reasons to prepare as there are excuses not to prepare.

We can never prepare for every variable. The odds of needing more than one gun (or needing an additional mag)are vanishingly small. So small that I choose not to prepare to that degree. Everyone should prepare for those events such that when they walk out the door they feel, well, prepared. For some people that means remembering the cell phone. For others it means a high-cap primary, a spare mag or two, a bug with a spare mag, pepper spray, a flashlight and a rifle in the vehicle.

[nightwolf1974]

i carry a backup gun too. when i'm out to eat i carry a 1911A1 in a shoulder holster and a hi-cap pistol on my side covered up by a jacket, and always a SP101 in my pocket.

you really have to plan your wardrobe.