DA/SA 45's

[11mm]

JDBerg-I don't particularly care for the Glock 21, I have a 20, but mostly so I'd have something in 10mm, It's been perfectly acceptable on all fronts but... meh. My striker 45 is an M&P fullsize, As for the smith 625 I already have a convertible Blackhawk with a 45 acp cylinder. And I've got a pair of 1911's

I've stumbled across examples of two possible candidates recently.
The Smith 4506 and a Colt Double Eagle. I understand the Double Eagle is widely hated, but I see a lot of love for the 3rd gen smiths and I love my dads 6906.
Anyone have comment on those two?

[JDBerg]

JDBerg-I don't particularly care for the Glock 21....,,My striker 45 is an M&P fullsize,

Not a problem, I feel the same way about the Smirh $ Wesson M&P 45 that you feel about the Glock 21.

[Pilot]

the CZ97 has been recommended twice now.
I understand they own Dan Wesson now and to my knowledge the current DW 1911's are well regarded. Can anyone speak to the build quality, trigger, reliability and durability of the current CZ97's relative to the Sig's and HK's listed?

I own Sigs, HK's, Berettas, as well as many others. I have found CZ's to be as good, or better in quality, and reliability. However, they fit my hand better, are more accurate for me, and are still a good value. I am buying CZ's over other pistols because I like them better than the other. I am down to one Sig, and one HK. I now have five CZ pistols, plus the Kadet conversion unit.

The 97B I just bought is nicely finished, tight, well made, and reliable. It is also very accurate. If you can find one to shoot, do it. However, I bought mine without having shot one before, and I really am glad I did.

[Arizona Fusilier]

Have had a P220 for almost 30 years, since they widely distributed the "American-style" mag release.

While I have, and will entertain more, .45 ACP pistols.......I think this one is going to the grave with me.

[WVsig]

The 97B is a huge gun in the hand. Its magazine is a double stack without real double stack capacity. It will not fit everyones hands. It does not fit mine. That said if it fits you it can be a real tack driver.

I personally am partial to the Sig P220 for a DA/SA 45. Nice and slim more accurate than I am and a dream to shoot. I like mine.

[+1k ammo]

I have heard good things about these on list and am looking for another 45 aside from 1911.

Someone mentioned Glock even though is striker and I am considering new g41 mos with a red dot. Have g21 but is too wide.

But have held sig and cz and have always wanted one but in 9mm.

So sig 220 (I am so mad I passed on a mint used one at lgs before it closed-ss with wood. It was a beauty) Sig costs a bit more and all look to be way durable
How about accuracy?

One poster said he is trading in all others for cz
Why?

I finally got my check from Caracal so either a new gun or a green laser!

[WVsig]

So sig 220 (I am so mad I passed on a mint used one at lgs before it closed-ss with wood. It was a beauty) Sig costs a bit more and all look to be way durable
How about accuracy?

They are solid guns. Stainless steel versions are heavy but will last longer than the alloy framed ones. The beauty of the Sig P220 is the smooth DA/SA trigger which is one of the best in the DA/SA world. It is one of the guns that build the Sig reputation. It was originally chambered in 9mm.

It is slim and fits many peoples hands. In the end they are as accurate as the shooter holding it but that is true for most guns IMHO. They will be combat accurate which in my mind means it can shoot 2" groups all day long at 25 yards.

[noonesshowmonkey]

Summit Gunbroker has a batch of used P220s starting at $399. For the amount of gun you're getting, that is a hard to beat price.

As far as accuracy goes, Sig P-series are more accurate than the shooter. If you do your work, the handgun will do its, and you'll punch one ragged hole.

With an SRT, the Sig P-series is tough to beat as a DA/SA handgun.

[WVsig]

Only ones left are heavy use guns with duracoated slides. I would pass. If they still had the ones for $475 then I would consider it.

[coolbreezy]

I voted p220 as it's the only gun on the list I have. I have the p220 match elite (5" bbl, all steel construction, beavertail) it's a BIG GUN. It's been my EDC and main range gun for the past 3 years. I only have full size firearms and wouldn't have it any other way.

[SgtGunner]

Sig 220 all day long.

Arguably (and im sure some will...lol) the BEST DA/SA 45 ever to come off the line.

I traded a SS Colt 1991A1 for a late nineties 220 with a ton of extras years ago and to this day I am still soooo glad I did.

[Roland Thunder]

The other day I shot an FNX 45 and was really surprised. It has a better trigger than my DA/SA Sig 226 or any Sig 220 I have shot.

[WVsig]

I wish there was more support for the FNX pistols from FN and the market in general. The problem I always here is that they are overly complicated to work on so no one makes aftermarket parts and people don't want to do trigger work on them.

[clang]

Can't go wrong with any of them on the list. I have a USP45 and a Sig 220, both are great guns, but very different. The USP is larger and has more ammo capacity, but it is not as easy to conceal carry. The 220 is slim enough for carry but holds less ammo.

[Hammerhead]

I've owned the P220 in stainless, the HK45 and the USP .45. All are great guns. My favorite of those 3 is the HK45. Very easy to get great practical accuracy out of the HK45. Very nice SA trigger, the option of cocked & locked, plus it feeds SWCs, something the Sig didn't. Awesome ergonomics, feels like a light 1911.

The Sig P220 SSS was very nice, very reliable with anything other than SWCs, very accurate and the .22 conversion I had for it was very nice too. The Sig clearly has the better DA trigger pull and the better decocker. You can de-cock quietly and ease the hammer down with the Sig de-cocker. With the HK the decocker drops the hammer hard onto the safety block.

The USP is the softest shooting of the 3 and IME the most accurate. I shot some of my best ever 50 yard groups with it. The ergonomics didn't work for me though. The control lever is too high and too far back for my thumb making it an awkward reach. Not a good quality for a defensive gun.

I shoot the HK45C now. Fits my hand better than any other pistol ever, super reliable with any bullet type, very accurate, but it has more recoil than the bigger guns, there's no free lunch with a light compact .45.

[Chuck Dye]

My one crunchenticker is a P226 so of the choices polled, I would likely opt for one of the SIGs depending on personal fit and deals. That said, were I to stray from the 1911 faith, I would not go farther than the ParaOrdinance LDA. I have only dry fired one in a store, but that action is scarcely to be believed.

[11mm]

There Is a lot of love for the P220 that seems to come from peoples experience with them. Is there any reason that the P227 wouldn't have the same quality reliability and accuracy as the 220? I ask because even though the 220 is running away in the poll, I find myself gravitating toward the 227.

[WVsig]

There Is a lot of love for the P220 that seems to come from peoples experience with them. Is there any reason that the P227 wouldn't have the same quality reliability and accuracy as the 220? I ask because even though the 220 is running away in the poll, I find myself gravitating toward the 227.

Grip circumference changes the entire feel of the pistol. I tired to like the P227 but it just felt off. They have a decent reliability record and accuracy should be on par with the P220.

Lots of traditional Sig guns just don't like it but it is more about their time on the P220 vs issues with the P227. IMHO

[Hammerhead]

Is there any reason that the P227 wouldn't have the same quality reliability and accuracy as the 220?

Shouldn't be, but one of the big draws to the P220 is the great ergonomics. The only other .45 pistols that are in the same class IMO are the 1911 and the HK45.
Double stack .45s just aren't going to fit your hand the same and may not perform as well because of it.

[Nathan c]

some have sed the CZ 97 I have the BD the decker version grate gun and if you know your way around a 1911 even better there not exactly the same but there close I think of it as an updated version of a 1911

[Hammerhead]

No need to shout Nathan c, we can hear you just fine.

[11mm]

Recently I've taken to shooting with +p loads, commercially bought Hornady, Speer maybe Buffalo Bore etc. Would all the pistols stand up to that equally? maybe the stainless 220's would hold up better than the alloy 227s?

[dgludwig]

I like the SIG 220 but I like the SIG 227 even better. It fits my hand better and those extra rounds are a bonus.

[bac1023]

some have sed the CZ 97 I have the BD the decker version grate gun and if you know your way around a 1911 even better there not exactly the same but there close I think of it as an updated version of a 1911

Its not remotely close to a 1911. Different configuration and totally different design.

The slide and frame don't even fit together in the same fashion.

[FM12]

SIG 220/45 ACP
: The hammer of THOR and the word of GOD!!