New Gun Free Zone Sign

iraiam · May 1, 2016, 04:22 PM

I work in a gun free zone, fine. Everyone who works there is told it's a weapon free zone when they hire on and it's in writing in the employee handbook that it's a weapon free zone, zero tolerance policy.

Now someone thought it was a good idea to put up a shiny new gun free zone sign out at the street entrances, being in a high crime area and with 3 jails within walking distance it seems like a really stupid thing to advertise, considering we don't cater to the general public, you can bet I'll be finding out why these signs are needed now.

cw308 · May 1, 2016, 04:42 PM

EZ Pickens for the bad guys, keep a baseball bat handy. Or find a safer place to work.

TMD · May 1, 2016, 04:59 PM

Always have the option of seeking employment elsewhere.

iraiam · May 1, 2016, 05:58 PM

Indeed I do, and the list of reasons to keep it up there becomes shorter all the time.

us920669 · May 1, 2016, 07:29 PM

I thought it might be a gag sign, like: "Hearing protection required, homicidal maniacs may be at work" or "Psycho free fire area".

MurBob · May 1, 2016, 08:26 PM

That's almost as dumb as putting a sign on your home that says "On Vacation, Be Back on DateHere"

iraiam · May 1, 2016, 08:52 PM

I wonder if the person responsible for putting up this sign is also willing to put the same gun free zone sign in their front yard

Skans · May 2, 2016, 07:41 AM

Do I get my gun free when I apply or after I'm hired?

Lohman446 · May 2, 2016, 09:41 AM

My father, who owns the company, was once in a seminar several years back. The question came up as to what individual businesses did in regards to background checks. His response was that he asked to see their concealed pistol license. The theory being that holders of a CPL had already gone through a more extensive background check than what we would have done as a company.

Not a gun free zone...

Pahoo · May 2, 2016, 10:08 AM

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Always have the option of seeking employment elsewhere.

Any company or place of business, has the right to post these signs. ....

Every person has the God given right of self protection. ....

All should keep in mind that actions always have consequences .....

Be Safe !!!

Jleonard · May 2, 2016, 12:09 PM

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My father, who owns the company, was once in a seminar several years back. The question came up as to what individual businesses did in regards to background checks. His response was that he asked to see their concealed pistol license. The theory being that holders of a CPL had already gone through a more extensive background check than what we would have done as a company

Ahhh someone with that rare quality of common sense. Awesome.

TailGator · May 3, 2016, 04:26 PM

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That's almost as dumb as putting a sign on your home that says "On Vacation, Be Back on DateHere"

That's what social media is for.

stonewall50 · May 3, 2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TMD

Always have the option of seeking employment elsewhere.

That is a little disingenuous. It may not be a viable option. Especially for those who have been in a job for a long time.

stonewall50 · May 3, 2016, 04:38 PM

My place of business is a secure office. By secure I mean they lock the doors and you have to swipe a card in the front of a lock to get inside not go through metal detector's. Of course it is an against the law if you carry a firearm in there you can just be asked to leave or fired. But my state gun laws are superior when it comes two gun free zone signs. They hold no weight of law nor should they. A private citizen should have no right to determine that a place is it legal or illegal to carry a firearm.

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TMD · May 3, 2016, 08:23 PM

Not saying I agree with employers no gun policies but unless it's your business then the only options are comply or work elsewhere. Which do you value more?

FITASC · May 3, 2016, 09:51 PM

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But my state gun laws are superior when it comes two gun free zone signs.

Yes, FL has some good laws in that regard, but if your employer says no on his property, and you violate it, you can be fired immediately.

stonewall50 · May 6, 2016, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FITASC

Yes, FL has some good laws in that regard, but if your employer says no on his property, and you violate it, you can be fired immediately.

Correct. But not prosecuted.

FITASC · May 8, 2016, 08:09 AM

Depends on where.........power plants, and other off-limit areas will get you prosecuted.

Lohman446 · May 8, 2016, 09:12 AM

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Correct. But not prosecuted.

Maybe. An argument can be made that entering property under conditions prohibited by the owner can be construed as trespassing. You are there without the owner's consent after all.

I'm not a lawyer but I would have serious legal advise before I acted under the assumption I could not be prosecuted.

Mike38 · May 8, 2016, 05:42 PM

I'm not sure I'd want to answer someone that asked me if I had a CCL. It could swing both ways. Either they'd hire you knowing you have had a background check and can be assumed a law abiding citizen. Or, they could file your application in the "round file" thinking you're one of those "gun nuts".

Interesting.

If you lie and say you don't have a CCL when you do, you're labeled a liar and not get the job. Catch-22.

TMD · May 8, 2016, 06:58 PM

Not sure about your state but in Texas personal questions about hobbies, political interests, and personal activities are a no no.

sgtpepper · May 10, 2016, 03:18 PM

What would the consequences be if you were to bring a gun and got caught with it? Termination of your employment?

FITASC · May 10, 2016, 03:51 PM

Depending on the place, termination would be the least of his issues.

iraiam · May 10, 2016, 07:21 PM

Yes, immediate termination would be the first thing, but the issue is not weather or not to bring a weapon it's obviously a big no-no. The issue is every jailbird in the high crime area is now being notified that anyone leaving this place is unarmed.

SaxonPig · May 10, 2016, 09:50 PM

I feel your pain. I am prohibited from being armed at work by policy and state law. Law allows my employer to allow carry but refuses to do it.

As for stores, etc posting signs in my state the signs carry no weight of law. Not a crime to ignore them so that's what I do.

May 1, 2016, 04:22 PM	#1
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	New Gun Free Zone Sign I work in a gun free zone, fine. Everyone who works there is told it's a weapon free zone when they hire on and it's in writing in the employee handbook that it's a weapon free zone, zero tolerance policy. Now someone thought it was a good idea to put up a shiny new gun free zone sign out at the street entrances, being in a high crime area and with 3 jails within walking distance it seems like a really stupid thing to advertise, considering we don't cater to the general public, you can bet I'll be finding out why these signs are needed now. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason

May 1, 2016, 05:58 PM	#4
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	Indeed I do, and the list of reasons to keep it up there becomes shorter all the time. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason

May 1, 2016, 08:52 PM	#7
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	I wonder if the person responsible for putting up this sign is also willing to put the same gun free zone sign in their front yard __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason

May 3, 2016, 04:38 PM	#14
stonewall50 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 668	New Gun Free Zone Sign My place of business is a secure office. By secure I mean they lock the doors and you have to swipe a card in the front of a lock to get inside not go through metal detector's. Of course it is an against the law if you carry a firearm in there you can just be asked to leave or fired. But my state gun laws are superior when it comes two gun free zone signs. They hold no weight of law nor should they. A private citizen should have no right to determine that a place is it legal or illegal to carry a firearm. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

May 8, 2016, 08:09 AM	#18
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Depends on where.........power plants, and other off-limit areas will get you prosecuted. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

May 1, 2016, 04:42 PM	#2
cw308 Senior Member Join Date: September 2, 2010 Location: Plainview , Long Island NY Posts: 3,863	EZ Pickens for the bad guys, keep a baseball bat handy. Or find a safer place to work.

May 1, 2016, 04:59 PM	#3
TMD Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,293	Always have the option of seeking employment elsewhere.

May 1, 2016, 07:29 PM	#5
us920669 Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2016 Posts: 181	I thought it might be a gag sign, like: "Hearing protection required, homicidal maniacs may be at work" or "Psycho free fire area".

May 1, 2016, 08:26 PM	#6
MurBob Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2016 Posts: 167	That's almost as dumb as putting a sign on your home that says "On Vacation, Be Back on DateHere"

May 2, 2016, 07:41 AM	#8
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	Do I get my gun free when I apply or after I'm hired?

May 2, 2016, 09:41 AM	#9
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	My father, who owns the company, was once in a seminar several years back. The question came up as to what individual businesses did in regards to background checks. His response was that he asked to see their concealed pistol license. The theory being that holders of a CPL had already gone through a more extensive background check than what we would have done as a company. Not a gun free zone...

May 3, 2016, 08:23 PM	#15
TMD Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,293	Not saying I agree with employers no gun policies but unless it's your business then the only options are comply or work elsewhere. Which do you value more?

May 8, 2016, 05:42 PM	#20
Mike38 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2009 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,710	I'm not sure I'd want to answer someone that asked me if I had a CCL. It could swing both ways. Either they'd hire you knowing you have had a background check and can be assumed a law abiding citizen. Or, they could file your application in the "round file" thinking you're one of those "gun nuts". Interesting. If you lie and say you don't have a CCL when you do, you're labeled a liar and not get the job. Catch-22.

May 8, 2016, 06:58 PM	#21
TMD Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2011 Posts: 1,293	Not sure about your state but in Texas personal questions about hobbies, political interests, and personal activities are a no no.

May 10, 2016, 03:18 PM	#22
sgtpepper Member Join Date: April 26, 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 42	What would the consequences be if you were to bring a gun and got caught with it? Termination of your employment? __________________ Colt Python 6" .357M \| IMI Jericho 941 9mm \| CZ SP01 Shadow 9mm \| Walther PP 7,65mm \| Ruger MkIII \| Benelli MP90S .22 \| Mossberg 590 SP A1 \| Remington 700 LTR .308 Win \| Ruger PC Carbine \| Ruger 10/22

May 10, 2016, 03:51 PM	#23
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Depending on the place, termination would be the least of his issues. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

May 10, 2016, 07:21 PM	#24
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	Yes, immediate termination would be the first thing, but the issue is not weather or not to bring a weapon it's obviously a big no-no. The issue is every jailbird in the high crime area is now being notified that anyone leaving this place is unarmed. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason

May 10, 2016, 09:50 PM	#25
SaxonPig Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2006 Posts: 1,900	I feel your pain. I am prohibited from being armed at work by policy and state law. Law allows my employer to allow carry but refuses to do it. As for stores, etc posting signs in my state the signs carry no weight of law. Not a crime to ignore them so that's what I do.