Newbie Here - AR15 questions - Page 2

seanc · April 9, 2024, 12:23 PM

If you're shooting under 200 feet, try a crossbow:

https://www.fieldandstream.com/outdo...best-crossbow/

Blindstitch · April 9, 2024, 12:54 PM

Not even a crossbow is quiet. Quieter. It won't hurt your ears, and it wont break the sound barrier but not silent. I can't even think what the drop of an arrow is at 60 yards because I don't shoot that far but I think it's somewhere around 2 feet. 0-30 yards is basically 2 inches low out the crossbow, high at 20 and on at 30. But that's all for a different forum.

In the land of firearms we all have ideas and ways to accomplish that. I like to shoot targets and can with many calibers but like to beak out the 22lr. But I have deer rifles and coyote rifles, shotguns and if I want to be quiet a 177 nitro piston pellet rifle.

One thing I can tell you is when I got my Ruger MPR in 556 and took it to the range I said wow that's to loud. The break on it made it obnoxious vs my more power deer rifle. The linear compensator helped me tame some of the sound and with 223/556 a muzzle break doesn't really control recoil rise in my opinion. But If I had the room to build a shooting area that I had to worry about the neighbors I think I would shoot 5 or so feet with the barrel inside through a long stack of tires or box. Someone probably has a book on it. But I don't need to be quiet so I just grab my walker noise canceling muffs.

ocharry · April 10, 2024, 09:15 AM

i think if you are out in the country and you are looking to shoot coyotes at night or early morning or late evening....i would put on a linear compensator and get a good shooting load..factory or worked up for your rifle and just go do it

its not like you are going to be shooting 20-30 rounds....if you dont put the yote down with the first round they are leaving dodge in HIGH GEAR...and unless you can hit them running wide open...well you just gave the yote a very good education and he will be much more wyleeee the next time

and i dont think i would use match ammo for this game either...yes it will kill.. but maybe not right away....even though they are coyotes they still deserve a humane kill shot...you need a bullet more for the game or varmit you are going to shoot...a good soft point or balistic tip in the 62-68gr range should work better than a match hollow point

i have seen match bullets just make a pencil size hole all the way through and not open up at all...but on the other side of that, i have seen those bullets hit a bone or something hard and make a real mess....but that is your call on what you want to do

as for the noise...unless you put a can on it..and it isnt gona be that quiet...i think it is still up around 120-130dcbl even with a can.....just go do it...you aint gona wake anybody up with one or two shots.....unless you are in their back yard

just my thoughts and my .02

ocharry

georgehwbush · April 10, 2024, 11:10 AM

ocharry: yeah. that is kinda what i was point to. do a little shooting and learn what your gun is doing (noise wise) down range and just use it. the sonic crack can't be mitigated with a muffler. and if it's the powder blast that is the issue use hearing protection; the muzzle blast diminishes quickly with distance, much more so than the sonic crack. the crack has a much better chance to echo off of things seeing that is a long term (relatively speaking) sound effect.

if you are not in the back yard of the nearest neibour then just shoot the dog and be done with.

georgehwbush · April 10, 2024, 11:16 AM

i would like to have a hollywood quiet 243win . but realisticly hollywood thinks long range is between 25 and 50 yards, gasoline always explodes, and inertia wont kill you if you can wrap a protective suit around you then you can fall for a mile hit the ground and get up and fight some more... among other such things.

in the real world gravity works. inertia works the observed laws of physics all seem to just keep working, and noise is in there somewhere.

ocharry · April 10, 2024, 12:12 PM

GW...you are right..that muzzle Crack does for sure wants to roll down through the hills and hollers..lol...I don't seem to notice it quite as much during the day as I do at night

I will say if you are gona do much night shooting you need something on the muzzle to control the flash...if you don't, your night vision is gona be toast for a minute or so

timlab55 · April 10, 2024, 04:38 PM

Again, I thank everyone for your comments. Okay, so this is what I've done so far. I've order some .223 Rem 75gr JHP SUBSONIC rounds. They should be here either Friday or Saturday. I plan on shooting a few (maybe 2) in the ground and see how loud they are. If they are fine, I plan on using them and then I can move on to my next project. If I don't like them or if they are still to loud, then my wife and I have deecided to move on to getting a silencer and either using the subsonic/reg rounds.

My next project which I'm hoping that you guys will help me out with is building a shooting berm. My idea is to use 6x6 up to six feet and place them into a "V" shape with a fence post in the middle to hold the 6X6 in place. Then I will get some decking board and place them on top (such as a roof). Then cover the entire thing with sand (only thing we have in SC). Measuring from where the boards come together out with about 4" of sand. Does this sound about right?

Thanks again for those who have stuck it this far and putting their 2 cents in. If you happen to find the silencer that is below $400.00 please let me know where it is so that I can get it.

Shadow9mm · April 10, 2024, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlab55

Again, I thank everyone for your comments. Okay, so this is what I've done so far. I've order some .223 Rem 75gr JHP SUBSONIC rounds. They should be here either Friday or Saturday. I plan on shooting a few (maybe 2) in the ground and see how loud they are. If they are fine, I plan on using them and then I can move on to my next project. If I don't like them or if they are still to loud, then my wife and I have deecided to move on to getting a silencer and either using the subsonic/reg rounds.

My next project which I'm hoping that you guys will help me out with is building a shooting berm. My idea is to use 6x6 up to six feet and place them into a "V" shape with a fence post in the middle to hold the 6X6 in place. Then I will get some decking board and place them on top (such as a roof). Then cover the entire thing with sand (only thing we have in SC). Measuring from where the boards come together out with about 4" of sand. Does this sound about right?

Thanks again for those who have stuck it this far and putting their 2 cents in. If you happen to find the silencer that is below $400.00 please let me know where it is so that I can get it.

If you looking for cheap, Witt machine and tool make a suppressor called the Canooter Valve, which is a dedicated 5.56 rifle suppressor. It comes in at a whopping $260.00 Its super plane jane bare bones, but if your looking for cheap and durable it fits the bill.

https://wittmachine.net/product/canooter-valve/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jiNbu5pS34

timlab55 · April 10, 2024, 07:42 PM

@Shadow9mm - thanks for that info as I knew I saw something for that price, but I couldn't find it. Man what a rackett with these silencers. I wish they show what the db are using this tho. Any clue where that might be?
Again, thank you.

Shadow9mm · April 10, 2024, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timlab55

@Shadow9mm - thanks for that info as I knew I saw something for that price, but I couldn't find it. Man what a rackett with these silencers. I wish they show what the db are using this tho. Any clue where that might be?
Again, thank you.

I attached a youtube video of a guy reviewing it in my last post. Said he was able to shoot supersonic ammo without it making his ears hurt or ring without hearing protectio, although you should still use hearing protection. Beyond that, i cant say for sure.

Blindstitch · April 11, 2024, 01:04 AM

When you shoot your to rounds in the dirt if you have a muzzle break on and don't like the sound screw the break off and give it a shot. Breaks tend to send air/sound in all directions. Having just the barrel hole will send it forward and you can see if it is different.

timlab55 · April 12, 2024, 12:55 PM

@blindstitch - I didn't realize i could take off the flash suppressor before shooting. i will try next time I shoot. Update for the group tho. Today I got my subsonic (Beck Ammunition, .223 REM Subsonic 75gr jacketed Hollow Point), and what a differences. It does should like me shooting my .22lr. However, down the road I will purchase a silencer for my supersonic rounds. The silencer I'm thinking about getting is the one that Shadow9mm recommended so that I don't break the bank.
Thanks gang.

April 9, 2024, 12:54 PM	#27
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,694	Not even a crossbow is quiet. Quieter. It won't hurt your ears, and it wont break the sound barrier but not silent. I can't even think what the drop of an arrow is at 60 yards because I don't shoot that far but I think it's somewhere around 2 feet. 0-30 yards is basically 2 inches low out the crossbow, high at 20 and on at 30. But that's all for a different forum. In the land of firearms we all have ideas and ways to accomplish that. I like to shoot targets and can with many calibers but like to beak out the 22lr. But I have deer rifles and coyote rifles, shotguns and if I want to be quiet a 177 nitro piston pellet rifle. One thing I can tell you is when I got my Ruger MPR in 556 and took it to the range I said wow that's to loud. The break on it made it obnoxious vs my more power deer rifle. The linear compensator helped me tame some of the sound and with 223/556 a muzzle break doesn't really control recoil rise in my opinion. But If I had the room to build a shooting area that I had to worry about the neighbors I think I would shoot 5 or so feet with the barrel inside through a long stack of tires or box. Someone probably has a book on it. But I don't need to be quiet so I just grab my walker noise canceling muffs. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member

April 10, 2024, 09:15 AM	#28
ocharry Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2006 Posts: 689	i think if you are out in the country and you are looking to shoot coyotes at night or early morning or late evening....i would put on a linear compensator and get a good shooting load..factory or worked up for your rifle and just go do it its not like you are going to be shooting 20-30 rounds....if you dont put the yote down with the first round they are leaving dodge in HIGH GEAR...and unless you can hit them running wide open...well you just gave the yote a very good education and he will be much more wyleeee the next time and i dont think i would use match ammo for this game either...yes it will kill.. but maybe not right away....even though they are coyotes they still deserve a humane kill shot...you need a bullet more for the game or varmit you are going to shoot...a good soft point or balistic tip in the 62-68gr range should work better than a match hollow point i have seen match bullets just make a pencil size hole all the way through and not open up at all...but on the other side of that, i have seen those bullets hit a bone or something hard and make a real mess....but that is your call on what you want to do as for the noise...unless you put a can on it..and it isnt gona be that quiet...i think it is still up around 120-130dcbl even with a can.....just go do it...you aint gona wake anybody up with one or two shots.....unless you are in their back yard just my thoughts and my .02 ocharry __________________ The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

April 10, 2024, 11:10 AM	#29
georgehwbush Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2023 Location: down town USA Posts: 244	ocharry: yeah. that is kinda what i was point to. do a little shooting and learn what your gun is doing (noise wise) down range and just use it. the sonic crack can't be mitigated with a muffler. and if it's the powder blast that is the issue use hearing protection; the muzzle blast diminishes quickly with distance, much more so than the sonic crack. the crack has a much better chance to echo off of things seeing that is a long term (relatively speaking) sound effect. if you are not in the back yard of the nearest neibour then just shoot the dog and be done with. __________________ "if you have a good shooting stance, you are not using cover correctly" father frog

April 10, 2024, 11:16 AM	#30
georgehwbush Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2023 Location: down town USA Posts: 244	i would like to have a hollywood quiet 243win . but realisticly hollywood thinks long range is between 25 and 50 yards, gasoline always explodes, and inertia wont kill you if you can wrap a protective suit around you then you can fall for a mile hit the ground and get up and fight some more... among other such things. in the real world gravity works. inertia works the observed laws of physics all seem to just keep working, and noise is in there somewhere. __________________ "if you have a good shooting stance, you are not using cover correctly" father frog

April 10, 2024, 12:12 PM	#31
ocharry Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2006 Posts: 689	GW...you are right..that muzzle Crack does for sure wants to roll down through the hills and hollers..lol...I don't seem to notice it quite as much during the day as I do at night I will say if you are gona do much night shooting you need something on the muzzle to control the flash...if you don't, your night vision is gona be toast for a minute or so __________________ The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper, USMC

April 9, 2024, 12:23 PM	#26
seanc Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 1998 Posts: 591	If you're shooting under 200 feet, try a crossbow: https://www.fieldandstream.com/outdo...best-crossbow/

April 10, 2024, 04:38 PM	#32
timlab55 Member Join Date: April 5, 2024 Location: Someplace in the South Posts: 25	Again, I thank everyone for your comments. Okay, so this is what I've done so far. I've order some .223 Rem 75gr JHP SUBSONIC rounds. They should be here either Friday or Saturday. I plan on shooting a few (maybe 2) in the ground and see how loud they are. If they are fine, I plan on using them and then I can move on to my next project. If I don't like them or if they are still to loud, then my wife and I have deecided to move on to getting a silencer and either using the subsonic/reg rounds. My next project which I'm hoping that you guys will help me out with is building a shooting berm. My idea is to use 6x6 up to six feet and place them into a "V" shape with a fence post in the middle to hold the 6X6 in place. Then I will get some decking board and place them on top (such as a roof). Then cover the entire thing with sand (only thing we have in SC). Measuring from where the boards come together out with about 4" of sand. Does this sound about right? Thanks again for those who have stuck it this far and putting their 2 cents in. If you happen to find the silencer that is below $400.00 please let me know where it is so that I can get it.

April 10, 2024, 07:42 PM	#34
timlab55 Member Join Date: April 5, 2024 Location: Someplace in the South Posts: 25	@Shadow9mm - thanks for that info as I knew I saw something for that price, but I couldn't find it. Man what a rackett with these silencers. I wish they show what the db are using this tho. Any clue where that might be? Again, thank you.

April 11, 2024, 01:04 AM	#36
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,694	When you shoot your to rounds in the dirt if you have a muzzle break on and don't like the sound screw the break off and give it a shot. Breaks tend to send air/sound in all directions. Having just the barrel hole will send it forward and you can see if it is different. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member

April 12, 2024, 12:55 PM	#37
timlab55 Member Join Date: April 5, 2024 Location: Someplace in the South Posts: 25	@blindstitch - I didn't realize i could take off the flash suppressor before shooting. i will try next time I shoot. Update for the group tho. Today I got my subsonic (Beck Ammunition, .223 REM Subsonic 75gr jacketed Hollow Point), and what a differences. It does should like me shooting my .22lr. However, down the road I will purchase a silencer for my supersonic rounds. The silencer I'm thinking about getting is the one that Shadow9mm recommended so that I don't break the bank. Thanks gang. Last edited by timlab55; April 12, 2024 at 07:51 PM.