Percussion cap questions - Page 2

AbitNutzToo · July 18, 2011, 01:24 PM

Actually his number is 317-706-0712

The one on the web page is wrong and has been wrong for going on two years. He knows it...he just can't get it fixed.

I just bought some from him last week. His nipples are made of a a harder material that Treso's and they're also 3/16th's like Ruger's.

His design also uses the smaller ignition hole, like the Treso's.

arcticap · July 18, 2011, 09:21 PM

Thanks for the correct phone number.
I'll edit my original post to avoid confusion.
Are his nipples made to fit #11 caps?

AbitNutzToo · July 19, 2011, 06:47 AM

He told me on the phone that he sized his nipples using the RWS 1075. Which are more 11 than 10's.

I wouldn't hesitate to call him. There's nothing he doesn't know about the subject and he likes to discuss it.

madcratebuilder · July 19, 2011, 08:30 AM

I have several outlets local that stock CCI caps in 10 and 11. What I have done is dress all my nipples to take CCI #10's. Chuck the nipple in a drill, use a slow speed, some jewelery files. Finish with fine sand paper. Like kwhi43 said, the caps stay tight with the polished surface. You are modifying the diameter, taper and length.

Treso's are great if you have just a few revolvers. I didn't want to spend 1K to outfit my collection.

Hardy · July 19, 2011, 07:30 PM

Madcrate you are right! There is always a way to rework parts. Unfortunately new customers to B/P shooting feel blindsided to just the basics. it's hard to get a newbee interested. But, the ones that are always either used rem 11's or cci 10's. I've found that if your nipples have been degreased "11's are good. If you don't (take some thickness) off nipples then #10's are not reliable. Anyway -just looking for a cap someone can use without problems and not having to gunsmith. Well- I guess anyone who starts out in B/P revolvers and likes it -then they will have to do a little gunsmithing sooner or later. Right?

WBH

zullo74 · July 19, 2011, 07:41 PM

Hardy,

I have 6 C&B revolvers. 1 has Treso nipples, 2 have after market stainless nipples, 2 have stock Pietta nipples, and the last one is a ROA with Ruger nipples. I use Remington #10 caps on all with NO problems. In fact I just bought 1000 more!

Hawg · July 19, 2011, 07:53 PM

I've had a few Pietta's over the years and the only one that didn't take #10's was an 1860 Colt, it took #11's. I never had to change out nipples or dress them dowm. Maybe I was just lucky. I have a Rigarmi 58 Remington I bought new in 69. It takes #9 Caps which aren't made anymore but pinch fit 10's work pretty well. Yes it still has the original nipples.

Hardy · July 19, 2011, 08:06 PM

Well, I just don't know. I've never had rem #10's but maybe that is the answer. Thank yu.

I guess ordering caps and powder you have to buy a lot since you have to pay explosive fees. We always got Rem -11's. I ordered a case of 10's cci 2 years ago and haven't sold them all. I'm not sure Ellet Bros carry Rem 10's--but will check on it.

Hawg · July 19, 2011, 08:12 PM

I can get Remington 10's, CCI 11's and RWS musket caps fairly locally. I don't care much for the Remingtons but I use what I can get.

kwhi43 · July 19, 2011, 08:48 PM

Caps have gone up. Powder Valley is now 41.00 a M for CCI. That's about
the cheapest. I just brought back 24,000 from Friendship last month. Cost
me 41.00 a M. They are not going to get any cheaper.

ZVP · July 19, 2011, 11:16 PM

I would have thought a rough finish would hold the cap on better, but I CAN'T argue with experience!
Thanks!
I have had good luck shooting with Remington #11's but I pinch em a little out of round and use a push-stick to seat them on the nipple. Don't have many second strikes needed by pushing the caps down.
ZVP

kwhi43 · July 20, 2011, 07:36 AM

I will be shooting timed fire matches at Friendship in Sept. I have to have
total 100 % first strike fires. We have 10 min. for 10 shots .

zullo74 · July 20, 2011, 12:07 PM

Sounds like PLENTY of time to replace a mis-fired cap to me!

BTW, Best of luck at Friendship.

Shotput79 · July 20, 2011, 08:31 PM

Wow!! so much info. Thinks fellows

I always used #11s on my first 1858 Rimmington. That revolvers numbers or letters in the little box on the right side makes it made in 1989. I ordered it new around 91. Found a chart on another site one of the fellows posted that is a lot of help in finding out when your revolver was made. I may ask him if its ok to post it here, comes in handy if you want to find out when your revolver was made, anyway that pistol uses #11s and they fit just fine. It was later when I bought my other models that I found out that I was going to need #10s I don't have a lot of revolvers but I have more than I'll ever shoot in one day. Three 58s Two 60s One Walker and Two 51s. It wasn't till I bought the .36 cal 51 Navy that I found out the #10s were to big for it. You have to pinch them on like you would have to pinch the #11s on the other models. That's when I ordered 1000 #10s. They work out fine on everything but the one .36 cal Navy. So I think I'll just replace everything so I can just walk in the store and buy #11s. Oh well no big dill, but you guys have been a lot of help. I'm sure there are others that will come along and find this info helpful as well as I do. Heck some want worry bout it at all, and just keep pinching the #11s on. To each his own.

mykeal · July 20, 2011, 11:09 PM

Italian proof date codes:

Spanish proof date codes:

ZVP · July 20, 2011, 11:45 PM

Does anyone know if the oldtimers used Cappers as common tools?
If so, what type were they? Straight or the snail type.
I have notiuced that my straight line cappers slightly pinch the caps as they go on.
So many folks have Cap problems and it seems there is no way to generalize "use #10's etc." to help out. It's frustrating but hasn't been cured in the last decade so I don't see a real cure coming along any time soon.
ZVP

Hardy · July 21, 2011, 08:44 PM

I hate #10's. But I found out by luck if you use "the works" a type of windex product to clean your nipples " 11's stay on better. They fall off mostly due to oil.

Poodleshooter · July 22, 2011, 11:15 AM

I use #11s, and a Ted Cash snail shaped capper on my Pietta Remington.
Once I crudely filed/sanded the nipples down slightly, they took #11s very well.
As purchased from Pietta, they popped off at every shot. After modification, they stick quite well, and I don't get cap jams anymore.

zullo74 · July 22, 2011, 04:06 PM

Hardy,

If your caps fall off, they DO NOT fit the nipples. You shouldn't have any oil on the nipples to begin with. Find a combination of cap size/brand and nipples and stop fooling around!

Shotput79 · July 22, 2011, 06:53 PM

mykeal. That's the same type chart. Thinks for posting

I been using a straight line caper with my older 58 it works ok. don't work with the #10s. learned from others to use a little round wood stick to push them on the nipples. With the 58 Rimies extra cylinders is the way to go., works pretty good with the Walker to. Don't know about others but mine is easy to change out the cylinder on. Can't say the same thing about the other Colt models. The ones I have it's a pain to try to switch out the cylinders on them. So shoot six and reload.

Hardy · July 22, 2011, 07:19 PM

Zullo-- I used to have oil on nipples when I first started. I greased chambers and oiled gun too much. I said--if you degrease nipples they don't fall off. I'm sure you know that but not everyone knows what you seem to know. Actually I thought a 10.75 cap would be the answer to folks that get frustrated w/ this sport. This thread is too address problems -not to get smart and arrogant. Now you quit foolin around.

WBH

Shotput79 · July 23, 2011, 10:16 PM

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zullo74 · July 24, 2011, 07:21 AM

Hardy,

If caps are too large for the nipples, they will fall off, oil or no oil. If you don't want advice, quit whining. I wasn't getting arrogant or smart with you, just trying to help you. But if you think you have the right answers, then you do not need help or advice from anyone.

Hardy · July 24, 2011, 04:34 PM

Zullo' I don't have all the right answers. Our customers either know all that is needed to know or they are completely naive. I do know that #11's won't stay on w/oil on standard(Pietta) nipples but I suggested "The Works" that seem to keep them oil free better than anything I used. At the beginning of this discussion I was trying to find a wholeseller that could sell me 10.75 caps that would help solve some frustrations to new shooters. I'm trying to make it easy for new comers. I would order some belgium caps and treso nipples but they are expensive and only seasoned shooters might want. I guess I'm just trying to make this a user friendly sport. And when the user gets and gains more knowledge and hopefully gets the bug, he'll move up. OK-I'm sorry I said you were arrogant. You were just trying to help.

WBH

Hawg · July 24, 2011, 05:00 PM

RWS falls into the #11 size. The 1075 isn't a size it's just their number for them. Their musket caps are 1081. #10's fit most Pietta's best. I only had one that 10's didn't work on and that one took #11.

July 19, 2011, 06:47 AM	#28
AbitNutzToo Junior Member Join Date: July 22, 2009 Posts: 9	He told me on the phone that he sized his nipples using the RWS 1075. Which are more 11 than 10's. I wouldn't hesitate to call him. There's nothing he doesn't know about the subject and he likes to discuss it. Last edited by AbitNutzToo; July 19, 2011 at 07:17 AM.

July 19, 2011, 11:16 PM	#36
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	The answer is polish the nipples to a shine I would have thought a rough finish would hold the cap on better, but I CAN'T argue with experience! Thanks! I have had good luck shooting with Remington #11's but I pinch em a little out of round and use a push-stick to seat them on the nipple. Don't have many second strikes needed by pushing the caps down. ZVP

July 20, 2011, 08:31 PM	#39
Shotput79 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 186	Wow!! so much info. Thinks fellows I always used #11s on my first 1858 Rimmington. That revolvers numbers or letters in the little box on the right side makes it made in 1989. I ordered it new around 91. Found a chart on another site one of the fellows posted that is a lot of help in finding out when your revolver was made. I may ask him if its ok to post it here, comes in handy if you want to find out when your revolver was made, anyway that pistol uses #11s and they fit just fine. It was later when I bought my other models that I found out that I was going to need #10s I don't have a lot of revolvers but I have more than I'll ever shoot in one day. Three 58s Two 60s One Walker and Two 51s. It wasn't till I bought the .36 cal 51 Navy that I found out the #10s were to big for it. You have to pinch them on like you would have to pinch the #11s on the other models. That's when I ordered 1000 #10s. They work out fine on everything but the one .36 cal Navy. So I think I'll just replace everything so I can just walk in the store and buy #11s. Oh well no big dill, but you guys have been a lot of help. I'm sure there are others that will come along and find this info helpful as well as I do. Heck some want worry bout it at all, and just keep pinching the #11s on. To each his own. Last edited by Shotput79; July 20, 2011 at 08:37 PM.

July 20, 2011, 11:09 PM	#40
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	It's been posted here, many, many times. Italian proof date codes: Spanish proof date codes:

July 20, 2011, 11:45 PM	#41
ZVP Senior Member Join Date: June 20, 2009 Posts: 1,102	Cappers and real life? Does anyone know if the oldtimers used Cappers as common tools? If so, what type were they? Straight or the snail type. I have notiuced that my straight line cappers slightly pinch the caps as they go on. So many folks have Cap problems and it seems there is no way to generalize "use #10's etc." to help out. It's frustrating but hasn't been cured in the last decade so I don't see a real cure coming along any time soon. ZVP Last edited by ZVP; July 21, 2011 at 12:23 AM.

July 18, 2011, 01:24 PM	#26
AbitNutzToo Junior Member Join Date: July 22, 2009 Posts: 9	Actually his number is 317-706-0712 The one on the web page is wrong and has been wrong for going on two years. He knows it...he just can't get it fixed. I just bought some from him last week. His nipples are made of a a harder material that Treso's and they're also 3/16th's like Ruger's. His design also uses the smaller ignition hole, like the Treso's.

July 18, 2011, 09:21 PM	#27
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	Thanks for the correct phone number. I'll edit my original post to avoid confusion. Are his nipples made to fit #11 caps?

July 19, 2011, 08:30 AM	#29
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	I have several outlets local that stock CCI caps in 10 and 11. What I have done is dress all my nipples to take CCI #10's. Chuck the nipple in a drill, use a slow speed, some jewelery files. Finish with fine sand paper. Like kwhi43 said, the caps stay tight with the polished surface. You are modifying the diameter, taper and length. Treso's are great if you have just a few revolvers. I didn't want to spend 1K to outfit my collection.

July 19, 2011, 07:30 PM	#30
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	Madcrate you are right! There is always a way to rework parts. Unfortunately new customers to B/P shooting feel blindsided to just the basics. it's hard to get a newbee interested. But, the ones that are always either used rem 11's or cci 10's. I've found that if your nipples have been degreased "11's are good. If you don't (take some thickness) off nipples then #10's are not reliable. Anyway -just looking for a cap someone can use without problems and not having to gunsmith. Well- I guess anyone who starts out in B/P revolvers and likes it -then they will have to do a little gunsmithing sooner or later. Right? WBH

July 19, 2011, 07:41 PM	#31
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Hardy, I have 6 C&B revolvers. 1 has Treso nipples, 2 have after market stainless nipples, 2 have stock Pietta nipples, and the last one is a ROA with Ruger nipples. I use Remington #10 caps on all with NO problems. In fact I just bought 1000 more!

July 19, 2011, 07:53 PM	#32
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,214	I've had a few Pietta's over the years and the only one that didn't take #10's was an 1860 Colt, it took #11's. I never had to change out nipples or dress them dowm. Maybe I was just lucky. I have a Rigarmi 58 Remington I bought new in 69. It takes #9 Caps which aren't made anymore but pinch fit 10's work pretty well. Yes it still has the original nipples.

July 19, 2011, 08:06 PM	#33
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	Well, I just don't know. I've never had rem #10's but maybe that is the answer. Thank yu. I guess ordering caps and powder you have to buy a lot since you have to pay explosive fees. We always got Rem -11's. I ordered a case of 10's cci 2 years ago and haven't sold them all. I'm not sure Ellet Bros carry Rem 10's--but will check on it.

July 19, 2011, 08:12 PM	#34
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,214	I can get Remington 10's, CCI 11's and RWS musket caps fairly locally. I don't care much for the Remingtons but I use what I can get.

July 19, 2011, 08:48 PM	#35
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Caps have gone up. Powder Valley is now 41.00 a M for CCI. That's about the cheapest. I just brought back 24,000 from Friendship last month. Cost me 41.00 a M. They are not going to get any cheaper.

July 20, 2011, 07:36 AM	#37
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	I will be shooting timed fire matches at Friendship in Sept. I have to have total 100 % first strike fires. We have 10 min. for 10 shots .

July 20, 2011, 12:07 PM	#38
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Sounds like PLENTY of time to replace a mis-fired cap to me! BTW, Best of luck at Friendship.

July 21, 2011, 08:44 PM	#42
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	I hate #10's. But I found out by luck if you use "the works" a type of windex product to clean your nipples " 11's stay on better. They fall off mostly due to oil.

July 22, 2011, 11:15 AM	#43
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	I use #11s, and a Ted Cash snail shaped capper on my Pietta Remington. Once I crudely filed/sanded the nipples down slightly, they took #11s very well. As purchased from Pietta, they popped off at every shot. After modification, they stick quite well, and I don't get cap jams anymore.

July 22, 2011, 04:06 PM	#44
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Hardy, If your caps fall off, they DO NOT fit the nipples. You shouldn't have any oil on the nipples to begin with. Find a combination of cap size/brand and nipples and stop fooling around!

July 22, 2011, 06:53 PM	#45
Shotput79 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 186	mykeal. That's the same type chart. Thinks for posting I been using a straight line caper with my older 58 it works ok. don't work with the #10s. learned from others to use a little round wood stick to push them on the nipples. With the 58 Rimies extra cylinders is the way to go., works pretty good with the Walker to. Don't know about others but mine is easy to change out the cylinder on. Can't say the same thing about the other Colt models. The ones I have it's a pain to try to switch out the cylinders on them. So shoot six and reload.

July 22, 2011, 07:19 PM	#46
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	Zullo-- I used to have oil on nipples when I first started. I greased chambers and oiled gun too much. I said--if you degrease nipples they don't fall off. I'm sure you know that but not everyone knows what you seem to know. Actually I thought a 10.75 cap would be the answer to folks that get frustrated w/ this sport. This thread is too address problems -not to get smart and arrogant. Now you quit foolin around. WBH

July 23, 2011, 10:16 PM	#47
Shotput79 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2011 Location: NC Posts: 186	. Last edited by Shotput79; July 24, 2011 at 03:08 AM.

July 24, 2011, 07:21 AM	#48
zullo74 Junior member Join Date: August 8, 2009 Posts: 374	Hardy, If caps are too large for the nipples, they will fall off, oil or no oil. If you don't want advice, quit whining. I wasn't getting arrogant or smart with you, just trying to help you. But if you think you have the right answers, then you do not need help or advice from anyone.

July 24, 2011, 04:34 PM	#49
Hardy Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 709	Zullo' I don't have all the right answers. Our customers either know all that is needed to know or they are completely naive. I do know that #11's won't stay on w/oil on standard(Pietta) nipples but I suggested "The Works" that seem to keep them oil free better than anything I used. At the beginning of this discussion I was trying to find a wholeseller that could sell me 10.75 caps that would help solve some frustrations to new shooters. I'm trying to make it easy for new comers. I would order some belgium caps and treso nipples but they are expensive and only seasoned shooters might want. I guess I'm just trying to make this a user friendly sport. And when the user gets and gains more knowledge and hopefully gets the bug, he'll move up. OK-I'm sorry I said you were arrogant. You were just trying to help. WBH

July 24, 2011, 05:00 PM	#50
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,214	RWS falls into the #11 size. The 1075 isn't a size it's just their number for them. Their musket caps are 1081. #10's fit most Pietta's best. I only had one that 10's didn't work on and that one took #11.