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Old December 12, 2001, 02:22 AM   #1
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Helped Nab an Armed Robber

Sorry this Thread is so long....

I work for a high end electronics store here in San Diego Ca. We had a customer who came in and tried to use a govt credit card, and used a D.O.J. ID, (claimed he was D.E.A.) without a photo on it. The card got denied, and we asked to see an ID. The customer showed an ID, but wouldnt take his finger off the picture.

When the customer left, i followed him and got his license plates (just in case). We called the credit card company and they said the card was definitly stolen.

After thinking a bit, we figured the police might find this intresting, (posing as a D.E.A. agent, Carrying a concealed and loaded weapon ((figured he would have one on him, seeing as he claimed to be DEA, plus we saw a bulge)), stolen card ect ect).

The police came, and we called the guy on his cell phone # that he had given us. Told him that we had cleared his card and that he could come right in and get the stuff.

The police waited till after closing but he didn't show up. Soon as they left, he called, said he would be in in 20 min. Police showed back up, and waited in the back of the store.

The "alleged" perp, went to front counter, and started a conversation with our manager, which included a statement about not being able to see his weopons through his jacket, (one of those blue jackets with lettering that the feds use, i think this one said ------- agent.)

Police came in, and yelled at him to put hands up, ect. Took several warnings before he did so, but finally he gave up.

The police searched him, found the stolen credit card, (actually, his dead dads), DOJ id, gun range cards, and such.

Turns out he is on probation.

Oh, did i forget to mention the two glocks, one .45 cal, loaded, 2 extra mags, hollowpoints in all three, including black talons in one. One of the glocks turned out to be a fake (although it wasn't one of GLocks red or blue training guns). Also had a very large knife (anything larger than my Emerson/Benchmade CQC7 is large), two tac lights, cuffs and other fun toys.

Cops figure he was going to rob our store as it was after hours.

Not a bad ending considering no of us can carry. And fortunatly we didn't have to clean up a bloody corpse off the new carpets.
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Old December 12, 2001, 03:21 AM   #2
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Old December 12, 2001, 09:20 AM   #3
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Very nicely done.

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Old December 12, 2001, 10:17 AM   #4
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Excellent intelligence and tactics. BTW, what was the pucker factor when the perp was talking to your staff and the PD were hidden several dozen feet away?
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Old December 12, 2001, 11:14 AM   #5
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From a LEO point of view, this was an odd way to do the takedown. As a cop on the scene, my main concern would be that once perp came into store and gotten up to the counter a challenge from the police could result in badguy pulling gun and taking an employee hostage.

I think I'd have wanted to hit him sooner, either as soon as he walked through the doors or, preferably, as he exited his vehicle.

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Old December 12, 2001, 02:27 PM   #6
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Maybe they wanted to verify or get additional charges on him?

Good job, by the way...
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Old December 12, 2001, 09:31 PM   #7
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Dunno. This is armchair QBing all the way, of course. It could be that the cops at scene were confused about when they were going to approach him, everyone thought that someone else was going to lead, stuff like that. Verifying is always good, of course, but IMO it is better to snatch the wrong guy and maybe have to dust him off afterwards than to expose an innocent to an armed and desperate guy.

I dunno, I wasn't there. Just struck me as odd.

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Old December 12, 2001, 10:07 PM   #8
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An unusual scenario, but a good example of how significant a sharp citizen is in detecting and preventing crime. Way to go, man!
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Old December 12, 2001, 10:16 PM   #9
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Unfortunatly, the plan got a little screwed up along the way, so it wasn't as smooth as we would have liked. Originally, the so called "agent" was going to come in at about 10pm, but he didn't show up, so the cops left. When he called, we barely had enough time to get the cops back to the store. The officers also wanted to make sure it was the right guy before they pulled a gun on him (of course, the blue jacket saying "agent" made ID very easy).

The pucker factor wasnt too bad, at least for me, since i wasn't standing next to him when they took him down. One of our managers though was talking to him when they took him down. She was the one who convinced him to come back to the store in the end. The only time we were worried was when we werent sure if the cops would make it in time.

Watching the security video was entertaining this morning though.
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Old December 12, 2001, 10:36 PM   #10
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That's the problem with low-grades, they all run on "doper time." Doper time means they never make their meet when they say they will, they make it about 20 minutes after the cops decide the bust isn't going to happen. Then everyone has to scramble to put it back together at the last second. It can be very entertaining. Just once I wish one of these SOB's would learn how to tell time with a standard watch!
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Old December 13, 2001, 09:50 AM   #11
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Excellent Work Nikon

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Old December 13, 2001, 10:17 AM   #12
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Sometimes the best thing you can do, sometimes the safest, and sometimes the only thing you can do is to be a good witness. Very well done!
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Old December 15, 2001, 02:18 AM   #13
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Well done!
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Old December 19, 2001, 02:38 PM   #14
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Nikon

Nicely done! If more people took the initiative like you and your comrades, the world would be a better place.
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Old December 19, 2001, 03:43 PM   #15
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Just once I wish one of these SOB's would learn how to tell time with a standard watch!
Yeah, but then he would be able to hold down a real job ... maybe it's their inability (or unwillingness) to get off "doper time" that keeps them on the low-life side.
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Old December 22, 2001, 12:55 AM   #16
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Question:

Where did the "armed robber" come from?

Is this something that the cops are assuming? Or was the man on probation for priors?

Sounds (to me) like the guy was a "wannabe" cop carrying the cop "toys", trying to get free stuff with his dead dads credit card.

While certainly not kosher, it doesn't automatically lead to being an armed robber. Just being foolish.

Anyways, kudos for being alert.
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Old December 24, 2001, 02:42 PM   #17
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Very nice piece of work, maybe the courts will see to it that he stays off of probabtion for a lot longer this time.

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