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Old October 16, 2001, 07:31 PM   #1
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Spilt Powder - What do YOU do?

Ok
We all do it every once in a while.
Can't be avoided entirely.
Powder gets spilled in the reloading process.

Question is: How do you clean it up.
I have a House with vacuum system with an outlet (inlet?)
near my loading bench, but I don't want to use it and
fill the house canister with unburnt powder.

Have an old upright vacuum cleaner but same thing.
Could never rig an appropriate nozzel for it (small and flexible)

Used to use a Battery operated (Black & Decker Porta Vac)
but it swallowed something that chewed it up. (Gun-Powder?)

Ideally a vacuum (if that is the thing to use) should have a disposable filter.

Just how dangerous IS this stuff that accumulates everywhere.

My indoor range operator tells an urban legend type story about
firing a black powder pistol which spewed burning powder onto the range floor and ignited many months of unburnt powder which had accumulated in cracks in the cement and proceeded to
Blow chunks of concrete out all over the place as the powder went of in a chain reaction type exercise.

Do you believe it?

If so; how do YOU clean up YOUR spilt powder???
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Old October 16, 2001, 07:41 PM   #2
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NOT-A-MAID SERVICE

I (sometimes) sweep it over to another spot on the floor.

Then someday I get a dustpan and broom, and..........
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Old October 16, 2001, 09:15 PM   #3
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If you spilled it on a tile or hardwood floor, just sweep it up...if it is a carpeted floor, vacuum it.

And don't believe that story!
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Old October 16, 2001, 10:13 PM   #4
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Just be careful and don't vacuum up any live primers. Friend of mine's Kirby got really messed up when his wife sucked up a live shotgun primer.
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Old October 17, 2001, 08:00 AM   #5
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OK enough fun > now seriously....

If you vacuum it up, what type of vacuum do you use.
Idealy it would allow the powder (and primers) to be "filtered" out before it gets into the main collection area of the machine
(re: the "kirby" story ).

I thought the B&D Porta vac I was using was ok but as I said
something (possibly a primer) got through and chewed the
propeller up.
For those who Vacuum > what design machine do you use?

Is it advisable to put it (the debris) out with the trash?
Down the Toilet?
On the grass?

One Poster advised not to believe the urban legend.
Do others agree?

Seriously..
Just how dangerous is this "litter"
and What steps need to be taken?
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Old October 17, 2001, 08:57 AM   #6
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I've always used my old Sears shop vac and have yet to encounter any problem.
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Old October 17, 2001, 10:37 AM   #7
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I'd use any kind of vaccuum I happened to have, but if it has a beater bar, I'd disable it beforehand just in case you dredge up an old primer dropped in the carpet long ago.
You can dump the powder on your lawn or in your garden. It's supposed to be good for your plants. Wet it down if it will make you fell better. Your grass will love it.
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Old October 17, 2001, 11:42 AM   #8
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Over the years I have both observed and participated in vacuum vs primer testing. The Electrolux (tank) type that pull air through the filter bag seem quite safe for primers and powder. NOT safe for combustable fumes, such as MEK, Acetone etc.

The cleaners that have the turbine in the airstream BEFORE the filter/bag seem to detonate primers fairly regularly, often to the detriment of the cleaner. Never had a problem with them cleaning up powder tho.

The ultra high speed lightweight uprights seem particularly sensitive to primer damage. An out of ballance Orec is a sight to behold. Specially if wife just bought it.

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Old October 17, 2001, 12:17 PM   #9
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I have always used my good 'ole Sears Shop Vac also with no problems. Although I never spilled a whole pound.
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Old October 17, 2001, 07:42 PM   #10
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That story about the range floor sounds like it was brewed up after a few too many cold "brews".

Hell vacuum it up with what ever you have and pitch it in the yard, down the toilet, or in a nearby body of water.........pond, lake, bayou, canal, etc. I have used my trusty Sears shop vac, the wifes Rainbow vacuum (that one deposits the suckings in water), and my lil 12 volt car vac. Once a year weather the floor needs it or not.
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Old October 18, 2001, 12:55 AM   #11
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Urban Legend?

Yes and no!

If it's smokeless it doesn't blow up, it burns.

Unburned powder on range floor going off?
Yep!
Been there, done that.

Think about it.
357 full of 2400 with 125gr bullet out of a 4" or shorter barrel.
See that muzzle blast?
How much powder blows out unburned falling onto floor?
Or ANY round that throws out unburned powder?
Days/months/years accumulation in front of booth.
Light a cigarette with a match.
Flip burning match out onto range floor.
Siiiizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Old October 21, 2001, 04:23 PM   #12
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look for one of those little "shark" (omega) hand vacs, I use that for primers and powder (the reusable/washable bag is before the intake fan) and I just dump the used powder into a jar for Halloween fun and the primers into a jar of WD40...

the Shark (Omega) had a short hose and good suction, has a should strap (I hang it right next to my bench), it is cord powered (not battery) so it never goes dead at the wrong moment...
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Old October 21, 2001, 06:05 PM   #13
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When I spill on the bench I use the shop-vac. My loading room is carpeted and I vacuum weekly. Havent had a blow up yet. I once heard of a guy trying to vacuum up a pound or so and he did major damage to the vacuum. his hair and eyebrows. He said the worst part was that he had to buy his wife a new machine with his gun money.
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Old October 21, 2001, 07:21 PM   #14
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Thank you > Nanaimo Barr

Thank you!
THAT is the kind of information I was seeking.
I am off to try to locate one.
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Old October 21, 2001, 07:35 PM   #15
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I got mine at Wally World (Wal-Mart), I think it was $25.00. it does come in handy for a lot of other things as well (don't let the wife scarfe it for the Kitchen)

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Old October 21, 2001, 09:52 PM   #16
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A handy "attachment" is to merely use a bit of old panty hose square (actually, the foot section is pre-formed) over the end of the vacuum's business end. Allow it to be sucked up into the nozzle so that it forms a pretty goodly cup.

Anything that you suck up but want to keep right there will be caught in the mesh.

When you are done with the cleaning up, leave the vacuum on & place nozzle over suitable container for emptying - then turn the vacuum off & pull out the mesh. All your stuff should be easily disposable.

Used this method for saving tons (well, not tons - that would be a lot!) of goose down from worn out parkas, etc. for other project uses. Works just as well for anything else.
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Old October 22, 2001, 10:31 PM   #17
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Any little spills have been vacuumed for years with a Shop Vac, no sweat. Just empty it each time you use it no matter what is in there. I've had a primer go off in mine. Kind of interesting, but no damage to the vac....It might be another story though with a large amount of powder or paper debris buildup.
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