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Old August 3, 2001, 12:58 PM   #1
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9mm FMJ FN Loads?

I ordered some 124gr FMJ Flat-nose bullets from Hornady. I tried using my Round-nose bullet loads (with increased OAL) and the accuracy is less than ideal.

Has anyone tried flat-nosed bullets in 9mm that can offer a load? Titegroup and 231 powder charges are even better.
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Old August 3, 2001, 04:37 PM   #2
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Hello. I've had very good results with this bullet loaded over 5.8 gr Unique. Sorry, I know this powder was not mentioned, but it's what I use.

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Old August 3, 2001, 09:36 PM   #3
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I use W231.

I don't remember the charge at the moment (don't rely on memory for such stuff anyway) but it's in the mid to upper 4 area. No secret, it came out of a loading manual. It's on the upper end of the scale.

My experience has been that 9x19s work best "hot".
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Old August 3, 2001, 09:54 PM   #4
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124 Gr FP 9MMs

I found this Data In the Complete reloaders Manual. the loading data is with the Hornady 124 FMJ-FP.
4.5 W231 COL 1.050 1050 FPS
5.1 W231 COL 1.050 1100 FPS

Here is the link to the Hodgon loading data.

http://www.hodgdon.com/data/index.htm


These loads came out of The Complete Reloading Manual 2000 Edition, which list W231 5.3 max with the Hornady 124 FMJ-FP. And I have found them very accurate.I would reccomend trying 4.3Gr W231
With an OAL of 1.070 and then work up.


These loads are above MAX in the Speer's #13 manual.
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Old August 4, 2001, 01:35 PM   #5
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Flat nose bullet accuracy

All my pistol bullets and rifle bullets are cast.

Acknowledging the ORIGINAL 9mm Parabellum bullet was a flat nose (ie. truncated cone) bullet, I tried replicating the load and find it pleasant to shoot and no more accurate than the 124 gr RN cast bullets I use.

BUT, the hole is a lot cleaner and target performance is easier to discern and measure

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Old August 7, 2001, 10:08 AM   #6
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Thank you for the information.

5.3gr of 231 has got to be one hot round.
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Old August 8, 2001, 06:35 PM   #7
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If you stick with Bullseye, Unique or 231 you cannot go wrong. My current load is 4 grains of bullseye behind the Lyman 121 grain cast conical 9mm bullet of 121 grains. It shoots 1/2 inch groups out of my Sig Nuehausen P210.

You do not mention what 9mm pistol you are using. Generally 3 inch groups are normal for most out of the box 9mm blasters.

A good Browning High Power with a decent trigger pull and good sights will shoot 2 inches at 25 yards.

Shooting this well in the off hand postion requires a well balanced pistol that points well and sits well in the hand and weighs at least 32 ounces empty. It must have first class adjustable sights and a good trigger pull. It must be built to tight tolerances. Few pistols will measure up to this requirement. Most are made for close range blasting in a defense senario, not pin point target shooting accuracy. W.R.
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Old August 8, 2001, 06:40 PM   #8
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I pretty much stick with 3.8 to 4.0 of Titegroup.
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Old August 8, 2001, 11:34 PM   #9
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I'm partial to 4.0 grains of WST behind a 124gr cast conical bullet, burns cleaner than my previous standard, 231. Excellent accuracy from my 6" 1918 Luger P-08. (One of those icky close range blaster pistols, I guess, as opposed to the new S&W Model 952)
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Old August 9, 2001, 09:50 AM   #10
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My load using the Hornady 124 grain FMJ-FP is 5.1 grains Win 231.

Using CCI 500 primers, and R-P brass, I chronographed this load at an average velocity of 1095 fps from a 3.5" barreled S&W auto. Temp was 75 degrees F.

I have been using this load safely for a good number of years, but I am now aware that in some more recent manuals it is considered over maximum. It is below max in others. As usual, standard disclaimers apply.

Interestingly, this load duplicates the performance of US Ball M882 9mm NATO ammo (made by Federal) from the same guns, albeit with the handload giving a greater extreme spread and standard deviation. Of course, YMMV.
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Old August 9, 2001, 01:08 PM   #11
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Just got back from the range...

and if you wanna light your hair on fire, I just witnessed a load a colleague from Kennedy Space Center has been using in his Glocks. Using +P+ Federal brass, he runs 6.5 grains of WW231 behind a 115gr FMJ bullet, seated out about as far as his magazine will allow. (And NO, I wouldn't recommend this load for anybody other than the person trying for a record themself) It chrono'ed well over 1250 fps out of his baby Glock, as well as my all-steel Kahr K-9. Odd thing was, the brass looked good, as did the primer, but you knew there was something coming out of the muzzle end faster than normal. He worked up to this load, and decided to stop at that level. Brave soul.
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Old August 9, 2001, 01:51 PM   #12
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The two inch groups that I'm getting are at 10 yards. I easily shoot under an inch at that range from my H&K USP9c.

5.1gr of 231 seems to be coming highly recommended by two members here. In addition, 5.8gr of Unique is roughly equivalent in pressure to 5.1 of 231.

I'll get the opportunity to test some loads tonight.

If 231 works, I'm never using Titgroup again. It's clean and low flash, but very finickey.
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Old August 10, 2001, 10:12 AM   #13
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I got to test eight different loads last night.

The winner...
5.0gr W231, OAL 1.1"

These rounds fired exactly where I thought they should go. That didn't mean a great group last night (boy, was it hot!), but they were very predictable which is all I can ask for.

4.5gr of W231 was very consistent
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4.0gr of Titegroup worked well. This is very strange since 3.9 and 4.1 were both terrible.

There was a decent amount of flash with 5.1gr of W231, even in bright light.

Another interesting observation is that 3.9gr of Titegroup has similar recoil to 4.5gr of Titegroup. For a fast powder, there should be a huge difference.
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