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Old July 10, 2001, 01:35 PM   #1
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Squib loads

Have some spare .303 brass,buckshot,and pistol powder.
Wondering if anyone has data for subsonic or 'squib' loads??
Had a buddy used to load 'em for fun and short range varminting,but he's been transferred,and I never got his recipes.
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Old July 10, 2001, 02:26 PM   #2
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What pistol powders?

Red Dot and Unique, while dirty, are probably two of the best for this application.

In my .300 Savage I used to use a 130-gr. lead bullet and 10-grains of Red Dot.

Gave me about 1,400 fps and was DEADLY accurate, under an inch at 50 yards.

I didn't measure at 100, but I suspect it would have opened up a little a 100 yards, but it would have still been very acceptable.

These rounds played living hell with the squirrel population of Central Pennsylvania for a couple of years.

For subsonic using buckshot, I'd say that 5 grains would be more than enough.
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Old July 11, 2001, 02:15 AM   #3
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The good thing about using lead shot is

even if you load too light and stick one in the barrel, you can push it out and just be embarrassed. (Unless you crank off a second one without realizing.)

As Mr. Irwin said, 5 grains will probably do it. Too much and accuracy goes to pot; soft lead just does not do well when pushed too fast.
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Old July 11, 2001, 10:30 AM   #4
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Your "squib load" was oft referred to as "gallery loads" in the olden days. Cheap stuff for using indoors or to allow your "real rifle" to be used for small game.

Glad you posted this as I had been meaning to type in a ton of info on this - from an article called Shoot Cheap/American Rifleman, 10/87. Some really good stuff about light loads for rifles.

Alas, nothing on your .303, but the author (Roy Dunlap) says that he used 4-5 grs WW231, Unique, Bullseye, & Red Dot rather than the standard 3 gr "gallery load" with round balls. This for a 25 yd loading rather than a 50 ft deal for gallery loads.

One thing mentioned in the article is that with reduced loads, you can develop a situation very similar to excesssive head spacing & although the case will still be suitable for these reduced loads, they should be marked cleary so as to never again be used for standard pressures.

Will have to get off my posterior & get this stuff in here ...
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Old July 12, 2001, 07:58 PM   #5
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Squib Loads

I can not give you information on the 308 but, would recommend that you get/copy the information from the LEE LOADING MANUAL.

They have a disk they will send you for $5 that will allow you to download any rifle, with the powder you now use to a velocity you choose.

The information is on pages 90 to 93.
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Old July 15, 2001, 09:54 PM   #6
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One question comes to mind with these gallery loads: Isn't there a risk of detonation with that small a charge in the case? Or does the pistol powder burn so quickly that it doesn't really matter?

Jerry out.
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Old July 15, 2001, 10:24 PM   #7
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Jerry,

Detonation, or whatever it is (there's still controversy about exactly what happens) usually occurs with reduced charges of slow-burning powders such as WW296, H110, or 2400.

Red Dot, Unique, Bullseye, and 231 are all fast burning pistol powders, all in the top 5 or 10 on the burn rate charts.
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