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Old June 21, 2001, 07:34 PM   #1
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Can I make.338 Lapua from .416 Rigby?

I'm thinking about buying a .338 Lapua rifle. But before I do, I want to make sure that I can make the brass if I have to. The real stuff is just too darned expensive.
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Old June 22, 2001, 03:24 PM   #2
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NO!

While dimensionally the 338 Lapua is a Rigby necked down, in practice it was found that the Rigby brass is not strong enough for 338 lapua pressures..

The 338 lapua brass is manufactured to completely new specifications....check your reloading book for max pressures in a 338 lapua vrs the 416...they arn't even in the same ballpark.
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Old June 22, 2001, 03:47 PM   #3
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Thanks!

I appreciate the reply. I don't even have a reloader yet, so I haven't gotten to study up on everything. That 338 brass is so darned expensive. I guess I'll just have to buy the real deal...
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Old June 22, 2001, 04:29 PM   #4
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Lapua brass runs about $2 a piece here, the Norma however is also very good brass.

Thats what I use, it's about half the cost of the Lapua, even so your are right, I was a little ticked when I was working up loads and went a little hot and ended up with a couple loose primer pockets....

Norma brass, 88gr of VVN560, Sierra 250gr Game Kings, Fed magnum primers = 2950 fps....... this is a max load in my TRG-S...anything more stretches primer pockets ...

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Old June 22, 2001, 05:02 PM   #5
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How's the accuracy with this load? I haven't ever shot one of these rifles, or even heard of someone who has, so I have no clue what to expect in the accuracy department.
Thanks for the help!
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Old June 22, 2001, 06:39 PM   #6
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Couple days ago I got word of a 20 round group fired at 1,200 meters that measured 15"vertically and 7" horizontally. total time for the 20 shots was four minutes. Group centered around the point of aim.

That's five rounds a minute in the COM at three quarters of a mile. Guess they can be pretty accurate

300 gr....Lilja barrel....don't have rest of load data.

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Old June 22, 2001, 09:07 PM   #7
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The rifle (with that load) can shoot .6 MOA on a regular basis if I do my part and if the wind isn't too bad. Ragged hole at 100, 3" at 500, 6" at 1000.

Unforunatly my abilities are still kinda weak and according to my little black book my averages (that load only) works out to about 1.3 MOA... (135 rounds fired)

I am getting a JP brake installed as we speak, recoil on the as delivered TRG-S (8lb rifle, no brake) is, shall we say, brutal.....overall groups might tighten up a bit if I can fire more than 20rounds in one afternoon without turning my shoulder black and blue....

Love the rifle though....
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Old June 22, 2001, 09:26 PM   #8
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Woohoo! Post 101! I'm now a senior...
Yorick, please tell me about this JP brake, or direct me to a website I can see it. I was contemplating having a brake put on it last night while trying to sleep, actually. I was thinking about something more along the lines of a 50BMG brake scaled down. I have yet to even handle a Sako TRG-S, so I have no clue except what I see and hear on the net. How is the butt pad on it? Did it come with iron sites? The Sake website show photos of the rifle with iron sites, but when I see them for sale on gunsamerica, the sites are absent.
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Old June 23, 2001, 12:10 AM   #9
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http://www.jpar15.com/recoil.htm

soft squishy buttpad...don't matter though, recoil still hurts....no iron sights on the TRG-S.
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Old June 23, 2001, 09:27 AM   #10
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Click this link...

http://www.sako.fi/rifles_hunting.html and scroll down until you see the TRG-S. In the photo supplied, it has iron sites. Did they decide not to use these?
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Old June 23, 2001, 12:00 PM   #11
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Yah I saw that too when I was researching before I bought my rifle. But check the "Rifle Data Table" here,

http://www.sako.fi/tables.html

you will see that the TRG-S does not include iron sights.

Maybe the pic is of a prototype or someting...shrug...
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