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Old July 14, 2014, 09:53 PM   #1
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the caliber question

we all asked why the .327 hasnt seemed to go anywhere.
lack of ammo availability and variety, as well as lack of guns has whacked it. but i realy thing that with these super specialty rounds, its more of a

"i really cant shoot anything else in it" issue.

at the moment i can get .38 special and .357 mangum. theres about 30 different offers in ammo for each currently available on midwayusa.com i dont like the prices on some of it but i can get it.

however they only have 7 total loads for .327 and i think 1 in stock... not exactly ideal. so the situation doesnt improve for reloading it. so you look at .32 magnum , 32 short, and 32 long. situation still doesnt improve.

so what are you going to do when you cant shoot it, use it as a club?
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Old July 14, 2014, 11:17 PM   #2
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I have 2 Taurus M327 hammerless snubs in SS. It can shoot 32S&W, 32 S&W Long, 32 H&R Mag, 327 Fed Mag, AND - and this this its saving grace . . . 32 ACP if needed. Then you can always reload.
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Old July 15, 2014, 01:47 AM   #3
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I think the .32 H&R is all the magnum the .32 caliber ever needed.
If you need more, step up to the .357.
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Old July 15, 2014, 03:01 AM   #4
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I own two revolvers chambered in .32H&R mag., seems to me it was overlooked during the recent ammo shortage as I could find it at almost all of our local shops.
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Old July 15, 2014, 03:32 AM   #5
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I don't have any need for it. Lots of people feel that way. That's why it struggles. Same with 10mil it fills a purpose that just not many people need.
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Old July 15, 2014, 06:01 AM   #6
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Seriously?!

I suppose I have around 1,200 pieces of brass. Those pieces they're re-usable.

I dunno... probably four thousand .312" slugs here. Got some primers, too. HEY! Got some powder here!

Keep shopping.
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Old July 15, 2014, 06:48 AM   #7
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1 point of evaluation..........

Go snag a bullet chart from one of the big co's.We have a Sierra bullet poster over our reloading bench.It dosen't take long looking at their offerings,which calibres are going to be the most adaptable or versatile.

Obviously there are some other conditions...how long a bore size has been around,how many different guns are chambered for that bore size,etc.etc.But bullet choice is one pretty important metric.

So compare .357 bullet choices to .327.........and you can also look at mould offerings.Just don't see much catching the .357 bore?The .40's have made probably,the biggest gains in offerings in the shortest amt. of time?
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Old July 15, 2014, 07:32 AM   #8
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I love my 327. Just loaded up a couple hundred rounds last night.
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Old July 15, 2014, 09:00 AM   #9
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so what are you going to do when you cant shoot it, use it as a club?
Then it is time to start pouring your own lead.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/254...ProductFinding

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Old July 15, 2014, 09:31 AM   #10
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Probably the greatest detraction is that its a .32! That area of its usefulness is already covered by .38 Special and .357 Magnum revolvers. There's nothing a .32 can that a .38 Spl/.357 Magnum can't do better. And there's already plenty of .32 H & R Magnums and .32-20s out there.

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Old July 15, 2014, 09:55 AM   #11
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The .327 has the potential to be a very versatile round. Problem is, it has to compete with loyal followings of proven calibers that have been around for most of today's shooters lifetime. Limited offerings in firearms and low availability of factory ammo has been a major problem with the caliber. Altho folks with them chime in "reload!", the majority of folks in the shooting world do not reload, nor do they want to. They want to walk into the LGS and readily find a good selection of ammo at a cost relative to other comparable calibers. I doubt the ,327 is going to go away, but whether it ever gets to be a mainstream caliber is yet to be seen. But then, many of it's fans like the idea it is a niche caliber and not owned by everyone.
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Old July 15, 2014, 09:57 AM   #12
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I was excited about the round, but my last gun was bought when ammo was spotty. I went with .357 instead.

There is nothing I dislike about the .327 cartridge itself. The smaller footprint makes a more comfortable fit in the cylinder without having to drop down to .22 mag or .22 lr to fit more rounds in.
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Old July 15, 2014, 02:50 PM   #13
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Altho folks with them chime in "reload!", the majority of folks in the shooting world do not reload, nor do they want to. They want to walk into the LGS and readily find a good selection of ammo at a cost relative to other comparable calibers.
I see two shooting worlds: The yuppies with their hot 9mm or .40 calibers who only practice for expected gunfights, and those who shoot for pleasure of shooting. Most of the folks I know reload, and reloading is as much as part of the pleasure as shooting. I have no idea which is in the majority, but there are many, many folks in the shooting sports who are avid reloaders.

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Old July 15, 2014, 04:24 PM   #14
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i cant remember who brought in the performance threshold.
the 38 special does run the field the .327 was supposed to fit in and conquer, but the .327 technically has a flatter trajectory....

however, the velocities for the .327 im seeing with max bullet weights are doable with the 38+p, and the same weight bullet and velocity in a .357 case are barely into what most call "mild" pressure levels.

its like a little kid saying " i want to be different, and be the first kid on the block with the new wonder caliber, sure its smaller, and to push a bullet into typical low end 357 magnum levels, i need to hit the same chamber pressure as a good number of centerfire rifles."
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Old July 15, 2014, 07:09 PM   #15
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I see two shooting worlds: The yuppies with their hot 9mm or .40 calibers who only practice for expected gunfights, and those who shoot for pleasure of shooting. Most of the folks I know reload, and reloading is as much as part of the pleasure as shooting. I have no idea which is in the majority, but there are many, many folks in the shooting sports who are avid reloaders.

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About the only folks with .40s around here are State Troopers, and yes, the do practice for expected gunfights.

There was a thread going on here about a year or so ago about the percentage of shooters that reload and most folks answered 1-10%. Other forums I'm on are lower @ about 1-5%. That's the answer from serious gun people and a long way from any kind of majority. Most everyone I know owns guns. Very few reload metallic, a few more load shotgun. I would say less than 5%. I know cause I have a never ending supply of once fired brass in more calibers than I reload. You are correct tho, there are many, many folks that reload, but also many, many more that don't.

Stopped today at my LGS lookin for powder and asked if they were lookin to get any of the new single-7s in .327. Shrugged their shoulders and said while they had several folks like me curious, no one has made a commitment or put any money down.
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Old July 15, 2014, 07:38 PM   #16
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The 327 mag is a versatile caliber that was starting to build a following at a bad time, just ahead of the ammo crunch. Where the public started buying every common cartridge that can be cranked out, why should an ammo manufacturer make anything that may sit on the shelves?

My 327 makes 1607 fps with the Federal 100 FP which equates to 574 ft/lbs of energy. If you want penetration, I cast a 153 FP that clocks 1190 (481 ft/lbs) that has a sectional density 0.225 giving it very good penetration. For comparison a 38 caliber, 158 would have a SD of 0.177 and it takes a 45 caliber of 320 grains to have a matching SD of 0.225.

To echo what others have said, if you don't handload, the 327 may not be for you.

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Old July 16, 2014, 03:16 AM   #17
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its like a little kid saying " i want to be different, and be the first kid on the block with the new wonder caliber, sure its smaller, and to push a bullet into typical low end 357 magnum levels, i need to hit the same chamber pressure as a good number of centerfire rifles."
.327 Federal runs 5k psi more than .30 Carbine.

.327 Federal also runs a lower chamber pressure than .454 Casull, .460 and .500 Magnum handguns. And the rifles calibers that clock a lower pressure than .327 Federal are from the turn of the century.

Methinks some .327 Federal peed in your Cheerios. It's been HILARIOUS thus far, please, please continue.
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Old July 16, 2014, 09:11 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by Bezoar
"i really cant shoot anything else in it" issue.
I may be misremembering, but I believe there are three or maybe four alternate cartridges that can be shot in a .327 Magnum firearm.
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Old July 16, 2014, 01:28 PM   #19
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sure you can shoot a few other cartridges, but can you actually purchase those cartridges?
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Old July 16, 2014, 01:32 PM   #20
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.32 Smith & Wesson
.32 Smith & Wesson Long
.32 H&R Magnum
and .32 Auto.

They're out there.
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Old July 17, 2014, 07:48 AM   #21
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I've been intrigued by the 327 mainly because it ups the capacity of a j-frame from 5 to 6. Its ballistics indicate it would be an effective caliber for defensive purposes. Too bad it seems destined to be a niche caliber if it survives at all.
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Old July 17, 2014, 12:37 PM   #22
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if'n you don't like .327 I suggest you don't buy one. I don't like 9mm so I don't have one. Just because a cartridge doesn't have 10 gazillion guns made for it doesn't mean it isn't a good cartridge. Ruger just announced that they are producing a new Single Seven for the cartridge so someone must like it.
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Old July 17, 2014, 05:19 PM   #23
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I think I'll pick one up (the Ruger .327 7-shooter) if I can get it. I want it as my .22LR 'reloadable' replacement. When I can't get bulk .22LR, I could still shoot cheap (relatively) ammo with the .32. It is the only reason that I can see for using/buying/investing in the .327 as I have .357s for tackling anything else in its class.... Also, I can shoot at the velocities I want to shoot as the .327 cartridge has quite high psi rating of 45K. Lots of headroom. To match the lowly .22, I need only get to 1000-1200fps. At that speed with a 90g bullet, you are still double the 'smack' of a .22 40g bullet. No need to spit out a pill at 1600fps+ that I can see (I've got bigger guns if I need more smack).... Unless you like lots of 'noise' that is. Especially at normal open sighted handgun distances out to 75 yards or so.
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Old July 17, 2014, 10:56 PM   #24
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Don't need to justify liking the .327 FM

This is a personal preference thingie---kind of like other choices we make in life. Fiddling with new or unusual calibers is enjoyable and is something different than run of the mill stuff.

Granted, obtaining brass for the .327 has been difficult. Finally got a few hundred cases, and since I don't really load for max velocity, the stuff will probably make 10,000 rounds of reloads. When they are available I sometimes buy a thousand bullets.

Load, shoot, and reload. Great fun.

I like 38 Special and .357 Mag too. Why limit yourself?
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Old July 17, 2014, 11:21 PM   #25
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A thought & question re: the .327 round since its not hijacking the thread.
I love my autos, have many, but I was weaned on the revolver & love my wheel guns.
I have a Pro Series J frame .357 3" 5 shot & love it but sure wish it was a 6 shooter.
Does anyone make a 6 shooter concealable 3" in .327?
Aren't there two .327 "magnums"? Which witch is which?
You guys got me thinking the round ain't too shabby for defense issues and I like the 6 shot notion.
The Ruger Single Seven sounds like one heck of a varmint hunting and fun shooter.
I've been loading ammo since I ws 14 yrs old (that's 53 years now) and I'd absolutely load for a .327 caliber AND cast boolits.
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