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Old July 8, 2014, 03:09 AM   #26
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another interesting factoid about that Nagant is that it is one of the few revolvers that can be effectively suppressed due to the ammo it uses.
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Old July 8, 2014, 03:18 AM   #27
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The Colt SAA is nothing more than a cartridge version of older Colt cap and ball revolvers that predate the Civil War
I wouldn't say its "nothing" more, I'd say tis quite a bit more. Solid frame topstrap for one.

Not to belittle the design of the Nagant, for its time, but the Colt SAA is still with us but the Nagant, and many other early DA designs, US and European, are not.

Of course, commercial success is also a popularity contest, not entirely a valid measure of a design's actual ability.
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Old July 8, 2014, 04:22 AM   #28
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I wouldn't say its "nothing" more, I'd say tis quite a bit more. Solid frame topstrap for one.
Which Remington beat by some 15 years. Mechanically, it's a '51 Navy.

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Not to belittle the design of the Nagant, for its time, but the Colt SAA is still with us but the Nagant, and many other early DA designs, US and European, are not.
Au contraire; A little research indicates Nagants are still in use in certain former SSR satellites, and are used in Russia on the railroads and in the postal system, and certain police units, which is kudos for what is basically a 140+ year old design.

The SAA is "with us" strictly as a leisure pastime gun, not a daily worker. And you're a lot more likely to break one of the fragile parts in a Colt SAA than a Nagant part.

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Old July 8, 2014, 08:43 AM   #29
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FWIW,many thousends of Nagant revolvers were exported to Belgium over the last few years,They were sold as C&R gun ,FREE sale ,now they are banned .
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Old July 8, 2014, 09:57 AM   #30
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..still in use in certain former SSR satellites, and are used in Russia on the railroads and in the postal system, and certain police units, which is kudos for what is basically a 140+ year old design.
That is one way to look at it. There are lots of ways to look at it. Another way is to see the continued use of the 140+year old design as a comment on the efficiency and ...determination of the Former Soviet system, to make the most use of what they have on hand.

I'd say that if those people are still using the Nagant, by choice, then that is kudos for the design. If they are still using them, because that's all they have, and have not been supplied with anything else, then its not.

Somehow, I think that railway, postal, and some police units are further down, if not at the bottom of the priority list for new weaponry.
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Old July 8, 2014, 08:29 PM   #31
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That is one way to look at it. There are lots of ways to look at it. Another way is to see the continued use of the 140+year old design as a comment on the efficiency and ...determination of the Former Soviet system, to make the most use of what they have on hand.
Possibly, but the point is that (using just the Russian example) after first being issued almost 120 years ago (and none being made after 1945), they are still reliable and sturdy enough to be issued as sidearms.

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