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Old July 4, 2014, 07:51 PM   #26
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Now that I'm about to load up some of these bullets for my 220, I realize that the powder I want to use is R-17. I have no idea what min and max loads are for that powder. If any of you have info, I would sure appreciate it.

I'm going on the logic that the faster I can push the bullet, the better my chance to stabilize it and R-17 is the closest powder I have to 4350 - which would be the first choice for MV.
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Old July 5, 2014, 03:36 PM   #27
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Barnacle, I took apart a Savage 24 once and lightened the pull, via both cutting the mainspring and working the engagement surfaces, and in the end came out great (went from around 15 lbs to less than 5), but *warning*. It is QUITE difficult to reassemble the receiver. Takes 3 hands, a vice, and some luck (and likely cursing & sweating). That's one job worth paying a professional for.

The more I think about it, the more I love this bullet for southern whitetails, for a variety of .224-cal rounds, not to mention speed goats as you proved. I'd go so far as to say that it breaths new life and purpose into the .22-250 as a cartridge, wouldn't you?

I may just follow suit on this project, but in a .223 rem.

Say, do you know Mr. Wyosmith?
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Old July 6, 2014, 05:26 PM   #28
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Dremel, I used a piece of q-tip stick to hold the spring in the trigger, placed the trigger into the receiver and pushed the stick through with the pin.


I wish I had a trigger pull gauge, for before and after results working on the 24v.

As for breathing new life into the 250, I would agree that the effectiveness and success of the 64gr makes the caliber a more rounded tool and adds versitility. New life...I think so!

I do not know Wyosmith. Will have to check his profile for location.

603Country, I can't help with R-17 data. Go easy!
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Old July 7, 2014, 07:59 AM   #29
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It says "Shoshoni" on Wyosmith's profile. OK, thanks - good technique on the Savage 24 - guess I was making it harder than it is.
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Old July 7, 2014, 02:59 PM   #30
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Oh yeah - I have been through Shoshoni - it's between Riverton and Thermopolis. It's not so much in my neighborhood, but then in Wyoming...nothing is close! He would be more Wind River Range, to my Big Horn Range. Guys like Jim Bridger and John (Liver Eatin') Johnston used the region exploiting the fur trade...but I digress...
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Old July 14, 2014, 05:08 PM   #31
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So you can fish on the Wind River Reservation for an annual tribal license fee, but what about hunting? I'm assuming no hunting if you're not a tribal member? Sorry, maybe this is too much tangent for this thread.
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Old July 15, 2014, 02:41 PM   #32
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I have no first hand experience on the Rez. I have heard that fishermen are required a tribal permit, but that is the extent of my knowledge. There are a number of Wyoming residents on the forum. Maybe worth a new thread?
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Old July 27, 2014, 04:52 PM   #33
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Went to the range and tested 3 rounds through the chronograph at two hundred yards yesterday.

I was sighted in one inch high at a hundred. At two hundred the bullets impacted two inches low, but produced a sub moa group at 1.75".

Average muzzle velocity is at 3350.

I don't have enough ammo to sight in three inches high at 100 right now, as the Point Blank Range calculator suggests, so will just have to keep in mind the bullet drop and pass on shots beyond that.

I can live with those results!
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Old July 28, 2014, 07:57 AM   #34
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All my reloading gear is set up, but I haven't tried the 64 grainer. Guess I'll get out there this morning and shoot some in the 223 and then....and then...I'll cross my fingers and see if it'll stabilize in the 220. I don't suppose that my 'wanting it to stabilize' is going to have any impact on what happens.
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Old July 28, 2014, 08:42 AM   #35
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Hello all.
I have been getting some calls to rebarrel 22-250s with 1-9 twist barrels and so far the results have been very good. At the higher velocities of the 22-250 over the 223s you can get bullets up to 80 grains (and maybe heavier) to stabilize very well and accuracy is excellent. Swift makes some heavy hunting bullets for the 224 bore size. To the best of my knowledge all the bullet of 65 grains and over are target bullets except for the Swift offering, and the 70 grain Speer.
Shooting the Swift from a 22-250 makes a very satisfactory deer and antelope rifle out to about 500-600 yards. The standard 5.56 with the same bullets are good out to probably 350 to maybe 400 if you are a high expert.

I know the accuracy is good enough to make hits on deer size vital areas out to 1000. You need only look at what is being done with AR-15s to prove that, but hitting is not the same as killing clean. The 223 is still pretty small no matter how accurate it is, and to my way of thinking, we owe a high degree of respect to any animal we are hunting, so a risk of a bad hit or a lingering death is to be avoided. Ethics should play a role in this scenario at all times. If you shoot bigger calibers it plays no less a role, but you will have better penetration and cavitation with a 100 to 150 grain bullet than you will with a 75 grain bullet if the 2 bullets are equal in their construction.

Anyway, back to the topic. Bullets and guns. If we want to shoot deer and antelope with a 223 or a 22-250 or a 220 Swift I believe it is a good idea to rebarrel with a 1-9 twist. The only down side to the faster twist is if you want to fire the Blitz” or SX type of bullets for varminting. Such bullets have very thin jackets and at 22-250 velocities they can come apart in mid air. If you go from a 1-14 twist to a 1-9 twist the problem get far worse. But the answer is simply to fire other bullets. “Standard’ 50-55 grain bullets break up very well at the speed of a 22-250 when they are turning fast. So there really is not much of a need to shoot SXs or Blitz bullets unless you are shooting among cattle or around buildings, which here in Wyoming is usually not a problem.

Both the 220 Swift and the 22-250s have fairly short bore life if you shoot them a lot, so if you need a new barrel in the future you may be well served to use a 1-9 twist barrel.
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Old July 28, 2014, 11:30 AM   #36
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The 64 gr BSB apparently does not like AA2230 powder. Maybe I'll try H335 next. Varget might work nicely, but I don't have much and don't want to go searching for more.

I'm probably 15 years into using the present 1 in 14 Douglas barrel. Still shoots great, but maybe not as well as it once did. I've been tempted to put a faster twist barrel on it so I can use it for pig hunting, but I probably won't. But then again, I might.
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Old July 28, 2014, 11:34 AM   #37
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Barnacle, let me ask you a question. If you had a mulie buck tag in that same terrain/ area, would you use the same rifle or a different one? And if your answer is different one (bigger), is that due to the law, personal preference, or both?
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Old July 28, 2014, 12:41 PM   #38
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I have a tendency to want my '06 as preference when hunting the Mule Deer, although last year I carried the 25-06 as I had done some work on it and wanted to be sure it was reliable. It was!

As far as the game rules, the .22 is allowed for both Prong Horn and Deer.

I will probably carry the 25 again this year for deer season, as it is quite a bit more accurate than my Rem 742 and I have the '06 set up for Elk with 165gr rounds sighted in.

The 25-06 is a sporterized Mauser and shoots a hundred grain bullet (Hornady Interlock SP). Long shot with it last year was out to 250yds. One shot, dropped a doe like a stone...

I have come to like a light fast bullet, rather than a larger slower bullet. It is hard to quantify energy in a bullet, but I think that a faster muzzle velocity driving the bullet is what creates the shock that kills instantly - as Wyosmith terms "cavitation".

I toyed with the 30-06 for a season or two shooting a 120, or 125gr bullet (memory fails me). It was accurate and dropped the deer and goats in their tracks. The problem was that come elk season I wanted a heavier bullet for obvious reasons. This was before I had the 25-06 in my possession. So I had to go back to the range and re-zero for the different ammo. BOO!

After I received the 22-250 and the game laws changed to allow it, I felt compelled to develop a load for hunting medium game. I have concerns that this load is not appropriate for ranges beyond 200yds. I have to doubt that it will still kill out to 300 but not instantly (or near instantly) as I come to expect. However, the evidence shows that at least out to a hundred yards - this load delivers a punch and I will use it when appropriate.
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Old July 28, 2014, 12:43 PM   #39
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Ahh, thank you kindly - that's what I wanted to know. Yeah, a mulie buck can get big up there, no? 260 lbs even?
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Old July 28, 2014, 04:25 PM   #40
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There are some monsters alright! I can't speak to weight on one, and have never put any of the smaller bucks or does on the scale. I punched a Roman Nose doe a couple of years ago that must have been pushing two hundy tho. I dragged her down hill on the snow for maybe three hundred yards before two young lads came to help. How they curse me yet for that! Hahahaa...

I have a picture I will try to post of that doe.

This is the goat from last year with the 22-250:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...18658289_o.jpg


Selfie:
https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/...56903242_o.jpg
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Old July 28, 2014, 09:35 PM   #41
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Try the pic again - cannot see it. Ha ha, poor kids. Hope you gave them some meat - or a hoof.
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Old July 29, 2014, 11:25 AM   #42
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I attached a couple photos of that big ol doe.

The shot that shows deer hanging, the large one is in the middle. Note the thick layer of fat on her brisket. The guys pictured are the young lads that helped me drag the deer out to the truck.

The second photo shows the the heads in order of size. The one on the RH end is a fawn - head shot (sorry for the graphic nature). In the middle is a yearling or better. On the left is the big mama of mine. Note the wedge shape of her head.
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Old July 29, 2014, 12:09 PM   #43
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I had heard the 64gr. BSB nosler bullet will begin to destabilize around 200 yards in some 1-14 22-250 rifles and that's why I decided to pass on buying them. I'll be interested in seeing 603Country's results.

BTW, here's some blems if interested: http://www.shootersproshop.com/nosle...lem-100ct.html
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Old July 29, 2014, 12:55 PM   #44
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Thanks for the link ntg!

Quote:
Went to the range and tested 3 rounds through the chronograph at two hundred yards yesterday.

I was sighted in one inch high at a hundred. At two hundred the bullets impacted two inches low, but produced a sub moa group at 1.75".

Average muzzle velocity is at 3350.
These were my results the other day...

The group is actually .22 smaller than stated. I forgot to subtract 2x the bullet radius.

So group was 1.53"

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Old July 29, 2014, 02:18 PM   #45
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Brad, thanks for the photo. What's your barrel length and load, if you don't mind?
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Old July 29, 2014, 02:30 PM   #46
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24" Bull barrel - Rem m700
Nosler 64gr Bonded Performance
33gr IMR 4064
2.350 C.O.L.

Found this to be interesting reading:
http://www.ballisticstudies.com/Know...e/.22-250.html

This statement-

"The ultra velocity .22’s produce their most dramatic performance inside 125 yards with wound performance tapering off thereafter. The .22-250 produces cleanest killing inside 275 yards (above impact velocities of 2600fps)."

-seems to validate the assumption that I stated previously, that due to dwindling velocities beyond 100yds with the 65gr bullet, the maximum range I am willing to shoot is 200yds.

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I have concerns that this load is not appropriate for ranges beyond 200yds.
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