The Firing Line Forums

Go Back   The Firing Line Forums > The North Corral > Curios and Relics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 22, 2014, 11:22 AM   #26
highpower3006
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 30, 2011
Location: Reno NV
Posts: 426
I like the .30-40 US service cartridge. Using cast bullet loads, it is a very soft shooting round. I really, really like shooting it in a Krag.

highpower3006 is offline  
Old May 11, 2014, 01:44 AM   #27
tahoe2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 13, 2011
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 528
highpower, that's one nice lookin Krag !
tahoe2 is offline  
Old May 14, 2014, 12:06 AM   #28
James K
Staff
 
Join Date: March 17, 1999
Posts: 19,646
Even the "new" cartridges now have some age on them. Most of the really new stuff consists of wildcats that will be a big deal in the gunzines in June and totally forgotten in July.

Jim
__________________
Jim K
James K is offline  
Old May 17, 2014, 06:31 PM   #29
RC20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 10, 2008
Location: Alaska
Posts: 2,090
First of all your only problem is you think you have a problem.
Not exactly posting to a group like this that thinks there is any need to be apologetic about that

Me, I am enamored with the 30-06 and more so as time goes by. Newer powders you can load it up to 300 mag levels (of course the 300 mag move up a bit too but not as much). No issue with those that like the 300, but its less relevant now than ever.

Any new rifle that comes out is lead by 30-06 and 270s!

41 Magnum was my big pistol love and continue to this day (follow closely by 44 special).

38, I don't think you can beat it for a lot of applications.

And just because I don't run with the other dogs listed, does not mean they are not appreciated, just have not gripped me. All worked well in their day and many continue to be just as good or better than the boutique stuff that keeps popping up.
RC20 is offline  
Old May 18, 2014, 06:34 AM   #30
CowTowner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: October 17, 2007
Location: Cowtown of course!
Posts: 1,199
RC20 - If you would like a document on making a .41 Special load to shoot from your Magnums, let me know. Rocky Rabb did a lot of research on this and at his advice, I downloaded the data and put it into a MS Word document. He has since retired and pulled his website down.
__________________
NRA Chief Range Safety Officer, Home Firearm Safety and Pistol Instructor
"There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see."
Leonardo da Vinci
CowTowner is offline  
Old May 18, 2014, 01:08 PM   #31
Chris_B
Senior Member
 
Join Date: February 9, 2007
Posts: 2,841
I think its interesting that 30-06 is listed up there with say, 7x57 Mauser
Chris_B is offline  
Old May 18, 2014, 05:52 PM   #32
SIGSHR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: September 13, 2005
Posts: 3,095
If you were enamored of the old rimfire cartridges you might have a problem. Brass is rather hard to find, as are reloading dies, primers....
SIGSHR is offline  
Old May 18, 2014, 08:22 PM   #33
Gunplummer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: March 11, 2010
Location: South East Pa.
Posts: 1,474
I have used most of those cartridges to hunt deer. I have taken out a 30.06 a couple of times and never connected. I just gave up on that round years back. It just seems bad luck for me. My favoritism towards a round has a lot to do with deer hunting and not the range. I seem to gravitate towards light, short rifles with "Medium" cartridges. Right now I seem to mostly grab the 99 in 30-30, my 7x57 on an Arisaka action, and my 6.5x55 on an Arisaka action. I guess I am stuck in the past too.
Gunplummer is offline  
Old May 18, 2014, 09:56 PM   #34
BerdanSS
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 3, 2011
Location: to close to other houses
Posts: 930
Out of every rifle I own, if I could only pick one to keep and had to give up every other....I would keep my old 30-30win 336. It's hands down (if indiana cartridge regs were out the window ) the most universal rifle I have. It's rugged, reliable, accurate and more than powerful enough for anything I'd run across here. And (to me at least) it's a 1 out of 100, beautiful specimen of a mid 80s Marlin.
__________________
One day, Men in tall hats will thump their chests and proclaim..."oh, what a great sea of mud we lived in"--The unalterable fate of billy creek ....
"Smoke.....it's what's for dinner"
BerdanSS is offline  
Old May 19, 2014, 08:40 PM   #35
tahoe2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 13, 2011
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 528
just to clarify

The good old ought-six started development in 1903 and finalized in 1906, the Mauser cartridges I mentioned, 7x57 (1892), 7.65x53 (1889), 8x57 (1888/revised in 1905), the 30-30 (1895), the 300 Savage is the youngster (1920). I might be a little off on the dates but these rounds are as good today as they ever were. Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against the new stuff, modern rounds sell guns! and keep our industry going, it can always use a shot in the arm (no pun intended), I just appreciate what those pioneers did for us way back at the turn of that last century. Lovin life, and keeping those old girls shootin!
tahoe2 is offline  
Old May 20, 2014, 09:16 AM   #36
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36,074
"I think its interesting that 30-06 is listed up there with say, 7x57 Mauser"

.30-06 really isn't a spring chicken. The last two digits signify the year of its adoption for military service - 1906.

It was derived from an earlier round, the .30-03, which itself was derived from the almost unknown and quite rare .30-01.

It's hard to say exactly where the .30-06 falls in the chronological list of smokeless powder rifle cartridges developed in the United States, but if it's higher than 10th, I doubt that it's much higher.
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old May 20, 2014, 09:53 AM   #37
mapsjanhere
Senior Member
 
Join Date: August 6, 2009
Location: Albuquerque
Posts: 2,355
tahoe, just one remark, the 8x57 was not a Mauser product (despite the common US name). It was part of the commission rifle project as 8x57 I.
I personally am very fond of Brenneke cartridges, the Weatherby of it's time.
__________________
F 135 - the right choice
mapsjanhere is offline  
Old June 25, 2014, 06:33 PM   #38
deadcoyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: April 13, 2009
Location: northern CA
Posts: 492
If you've got a C&R i've got a decent old Remington 141 in .35 Remington I could sell ya!
deadcoyote is offline  
Old June 26, 2014, 03:30 PM   #39
DennisCA
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 3, 2012
Location: Union City CA (a.k.a. Poople's Republik of CA)
Posts: 302
Did someone mention .303?





And it's toad-sticker:

DennisCA is offline  
Old June 27, 2014, 08:25 PM   #40
grumbles
Member
 
Join Date: October 15, 2005
Location: michigan
Posts: 19
what of the 7.5x55 swiss (original loading 1889)?

same problem as the rest of yous guys. 7.62x25, 7.62x54R(1891) 300Savage(mine is model99-1953 vintage), 7.5x55(1889 for the origen Schmidt-Rubin design) {K-31}, 6.5x55 (M-96), 7.5x57(modelo1912 {yup I gots one in the original chambering} & M-95), 7.7X58 Arisaka, 6.5x52 (Mannlicher-Carcano), and of course Old Smelley (303 brit #4 mk1) not to mention 7.92x57js. BTW the -06 redesign from the -03 was forced after Germany introduced the 7.92x57js (154 gr .323 bullet at a posted 2800fps)in 1905. please don't confuse the 7.92x57j (.318 bullet at 2200(?)fps1888 commission rifle) with the 7.92x57js (1898 mauser). putin' the "js" round in a "j" can be an exciting situation (not real pleasant tho')

Last edited by grumbles; June 27, 2014 at 08:33 PM.
grumbles is offline  
Old June 28, 2014, 12:09 AM   #41
Josh Smith
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 5, 2000
Location: Wabash IN
Posts: 515
Psst... I have sort of the same problem











(I was going to put pics of the 7.92x57JS reloads here, but I don't think I actually took any! Suffice to say this Gew88/05 shoots about 1.2" at 100 yards.)

The Mosin is the workhorse because I've done so much to it, with the adjustable sights, two-stage trigger, etc, but the Gew88/05 has done its share, too.

I'm not counting my sidelock muzzleloader as it's not a cartridge arm, but it's fun, too.

Where I live there are not many opportunities for long shots on game. Modern 'scoped bolt actions are just sort of boring. Even the above rifles with their flat trajectories don't require much thought inside 200 yards. Heck, the rear sight on the Mosin is graduated and close enough to yards that I can just use it if I know the range.

Josh
__________________
-
Sights for the Mosin-Nagant
-
Josh Smith is offline  
Old June 28, 2014, 07:52 AM   #42
kraigwy
Senior Member
 
Join Date: June 16, 2008
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 9,469
I like the old ones also.

I shoot the BP version of the 45-70, and 44-90 Sharps Bottleneck.

I shoot my Grandfathers S&W #3 in 44 Russian. My Rem Model 25 in 25-20, plus my military surplus rifles, 30-40, '06, 7.62X54R. 7.62X38.

375 H&H & 416 Rigby for the big ones.

The little 25 Auto has been around for a while also.
__________________
Kraig Stuart
CPT USAR Ret
USAMU Sniper School Oct '78
Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071
kraigwy is offline  
Old June 28, 2014, 12:12 PM   #43
kilimanjaro
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 23, 2009
Posts: 1,937
.38 Special, .44 Special, .45acp, .38 S&W, .455 Webley, 9mm Parabellum

.22 LR, .22 Hornet, .22-250, 310 Cadet, 30-40, 30-06, .303 British, .308 Winchester, 8mm Mauser, 7.5 Swiss and French, 7.62 Russian, .375 H&H, .405 Winchester, .450/400 Nitro Express, 416 Rigby, and .577/450.

I don't think I've ever had any interest in a new cartridge. When I bought my Ruger No. 1 in .416 Rigby, the vendor called me up, said he had another one in .416 Remington, would I like to substitute, it's a modern cartridge. He ended up saying he just doesn't understand why anyone would shoot an old dinosaur round.
kilimanjaro is offline  
Old June 28, 2014, 09:36 PM   #44
tahunua001
Senior Member
 
Join Date: July 21, 2011
Location: Idaho
Posts: 6,179
a lot of people must think that^
the last gun show I saw at least 5 sets of 416 rigby dies floating around.
__________________
ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar.
I never said half the crap people said I did-Albert Einstein
You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin
Bean counters told me I couldn't fire a man for being in a wheelchair, did it anyway. Ramps are expensive.-Cave Johnson.
tahunua001 is offline  
Old June 29, 2014, 07:04 AM   #45
Mike Irwin
Staff
 
Join Date: April 13, 2000
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 36,074
A few years ago I picked up an Ishapore No 1 Mk III at a gun show for $125. That was a pretty good price, as the bore looked virtually new.

What made it an exceptional price, though, was the British-made Pattern 1907 sword bayonet in rather solid overall condition. Unfortunately someone got a little overactive polishing it and rubbed out the crown marking, but it's a good looking bayonet in a very good looking scabbard, and the leather is also in very good condition with no cracks.

It's dated September 1917 by Sanderson.

It's probably worth at least $85 in this condition.

And mounted to the rifle?

It just looks cool as all hell!
__________________
"The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza

Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.
Mike Irwin is offline  
Old June 29, 2014, 10:55 AM   #46
kilimanjaro
Senior Member
 
Join Date: November 23, 2009
Posts: 1,937
Bayo prices seem to be going through a roof, lately.

Glad to hear 416 Rigby dies will float, in case I have one of those tragic canoeing accidents so commom among forum members.
kilimanjaro is offline  
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:09 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
This site and contents, including all posts, Copyright © 1998-2014 S.W.A.T. Magazine
Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: thefiringline.com
Contact Us
Page generated in 0.11404 seconds with 9 queries