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Old March 7, 2014, 09:33 AM   #1
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Cimarron SAA

Does anyone here have any experience with Cimarron SAA revolvers in 45 Colt caliber?

I'm interested in opinions on the quality of the gun and how well they hold up.

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Old March 7, 2014, 10:17 AM   #2
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They are made by Uberti, that track record is very obvious in the Cowboy Action Shooting arena. I bought a pair from Cimarron in 44-40, one shot excellent groups the other liked to put the bullet through sideways. Measured the bore and found it to be .450 even though marked .44 WCF on the outside. If the dimensions had been the other way around (.45 cyl /44 barrel) I would have had a very unpleasant experience. Cimarron CS was not great but they did replace the pistol after I paid to send it to them.
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Old March 7, 2014, 10:30 AM   #3
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I had one when they first showed up. I got it used, but it looked basically new, and Im not really sure it was ever shot before I got it.

I had it out shooting a couple of times, and while cleaning it after the last time out, it just locked up. I sent it to Bob Munden, who did a wonderful trigger job on it for around $100. After that, it was fine until I sold it.

From what Ive seen, the Cimarron's are about the nicest looking of the copies. Fit and finish on mine, and the others Ive seen has been very good, and some of the bluing/case hardening jobs, were pretty spectacular.

Ive thought of maybe picking up another, but now that Bob is gone......
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Old March 7, 2014, 10:52 AM   #4
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I purchased one of their Little Bighorn models 10 or 15 years ago. It didn't take long before I realized I didn't care for long barreled SAAs so I ordered a 4.75" barrel from Cimarron and had a nice Montana gunsmith install it. Throats are like .451/.452 and the bore is close to ,450/.451. I shoot 255+ SWCs and round flatnose of similar weight. It's very accurate with titegroup and bullseye and I have never had any mechanical problems.
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Old March 7, 2014, 11:58 AM   #5
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I've owned several Cimarrons over the years in both 45 and 357. IMHO they are the best clone for the money and can be slicked up by a skilled smith for not much more. As with any manufacturer/importer their are some dogs out there. Best to handle one in person if you can. That said I've purchased half of mine sight unseen and have been pleasantly surprised with what I got. You may want to ask the folks over in Blackpowder & CAS. There are several over there that have used them and their Uberti/Taylor counterparts.

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Old March 7, 2014, 01:22 PM   #6
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I own 2 Uberti Model P SAA revolvers that I bought from Cimarron 7 years ago.They are in .45 Cal.I also own 2 Colt SAA the same age and same caliber.I do Cowboy Action Shooting and use these guns a lot.I could tell you in all honesty that the Ubertis' are the closet thing to a Colt SAA made.In performance and looks.But of course,they are not Colts.But they are half the price.
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Old March 7, 2014, 01:37 PM   #7
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I think it should be clarified that Cimarron imports both Uberti and Pietta SAAs. The 'Model P' is their Uberti offering, the 'Frontier SA' is the Pietta offering.
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Old March 7, 2014, 02:07 PM   #8
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Here is my Cimarron/Uberti Model P in .44 Special:



It is one of three Ubertis I have, and I believe the Cimarron imports are maybe a little nicer finished and tuned that other Ubertis that I've seen and handled, not that they are any slouch by any means.

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Old March 7, 2014, 02:34 PM   #9
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Thanks for all the info, it's exactly what I was looking for.

Bob, it looks like your 44 is a shooter, nice looking gun also.

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Old March 7, 2014, 04:06 PM   #10
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Yes,Cimarron imports are the way to go.Mine have Turnbull CCH and black powder frames.I think you can still get them that way.
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Old March 7, 2014, 04:09 PM   #11
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I think it should be clarified that Cimarron imports both Uberti and Pietta SAAs. The 'Model P' is their Uberti offering, the 'Frontier SA' is the Pietta offering.
Kappe, the gun I'm looking at is a CFA Model P, model #MP512 so would that be a Uberti or a Pietta?

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Old March 7, 2014, 04:16 PM   #12
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I have way over 40,000 rounds through Cimarron/Uberti sixguns in every caliber they make. The Cimarron/Uberti 4 3/4" 45 has 6895 rounds through it as of my checking 30 seconds ago. ALMOST all of the cartridges were 250-260GR SWC bullets right at 1000fps. OH....and I cleaned it once about ten years ago now.....maybe it was 20 years ago....I'm getting forgetful.
Superb trigger.
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Old March 7, 2014, 04:19 PM   #13
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I bought a used 2008 Cimarron/Uberti Model P 4-3/4" in 45 Colt last year and can say it's a good revolver, a good replica. Nice fit&finish, timing and trigger. I walked away from it a few times then one day noticed the price had dropped $40. I knew I'd better get it then or it soon would be gone.

I have had one annoyance, empty casings are very hard to push out until they cool down. If I put it aside five minutes then they push out. I guess the cylinder is rough but can't see any problem.

Another thing, it's next to impossible to buy a 45ACP cylinder from Cimarron or Uberti, so if you may want dual cylinders down the road you'd better buy them up front with the gun!
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Old March 7, 2014, 05:38 PM   #14
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My Überti El Patron in .357 is an outstanding gun. Love it.
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Old March 7, 2014, 06:16 PM   #15
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Cimarron is an importer of Italian guns. Mostly Uberti in handguns, although recently they've been dealing with Pietta for some pieces.

Uberti and Pietta both updated their factories around 2000-2001 and are now capable of making good guns. Cimarron has a history of placing one of their people in Uberti's factory to do on-site quality control and might be doing the same with Pietta. In the case of the Evil Roy they start with Uberti's best fit and finish level (the "El Patron") and do further work on it stateside. The lesser models are still generally a bit better than most Ubertis and Cimarron does US-based support for their guns, which is a really good thing.

Upshot: I think Cimarron is the second-best method of getting a good Italian SA-type.

The best however is Longhunter:

http://www.longhunt.com/web/index.php?page=firearms

This guy is a gunsmith who buys high-end Ubertis from either Taylor's (another importer) that are already at the "El Patron" level (the best guns Uberti knows how to make) and then tunes them up further. Checking his site it seems he also has a source for the basic "El Patron" models. Some of the Taylor's guns are interesting because they have SASS-specific features like a lower-slung hammer or other options that are highly regarded for competition. He also sells Rugers that are pre-tuned by him.

Basically, this is a really good deal because you're getting quality gunsmithing right out of the box, similar to the appeal of the "Evil Roy" except most sources put him over Cimarron's stateside people.

If you can afford it, and his prices really aren't bad for what you're getting, Longhunter can sell you the best Italian SA available, period, end of discussion once he's laid hands on it.

BUT...if you score a Ruger off him, you will get a better gun yet. Sorry, but the Italians still haven't matched Ruger for a starting point - Ruger's metallurgy is still better and the cylinder improvements that they cycled in between 2004 and 2007 really put them over the top of the Italians.
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Old March 7, 2014, 06:37 PM   #16
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About ten years ago I bought a used Cimarron Cattleman, 45 Colt. This one had the beautiful charcoal blue finish. It was beautiful to behold. It also had the absolute worst trigger of any revolver I have ever owned. Then one day on closer examination I noticed that the front sight was leaning to one sight, it was not straight up and down. I sold it and used the money towards a Ruger Vaquero.

A couple of years later I ran across another Cattleman. The trigger was OK on this one and the front sight was on straight. I still have that one, but I haven't shot it much since I got my 2nd Gen Colts.

I must be starting to sound like a broken record now, but Single Action Army and SAA are registered trademarks of the Colt company. Other companies do not make Single Action Armies, or SAAs. They make replicas of the SAA. You will never find the words Single Action Army or the letters SAA in any other company's catalog, because they know Colt will sue the pants of off them if they print that.
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Old March 7, 2014, 07:22 PM   #17
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The only Cimarron product I've owned is a .22lr Lightning mfg by Uberti.
It was a little stiff at first but quickly loosened up and is a fine shooter as well as a good looker.



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Old March 7, 2014, 10:21 PM   #18
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Kappe, the gun I'm looking at is a CFA Model P, model #MP512 so would that be a Uberti or a Pietta?
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I must be starting to sound like a broken record now, but Single Action Army and SAA are registered trademarks of the Colt company. Other companies do not make Single Action Armies, or SAAs. They make replicas of the SAA. You will never find the words Single Action Army or the letters SAA in any other company's catalog, because they know Colt will sue the pants of off them if they print that
Why do you feel the need to say this? Do you suggest we call it something else?
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Old March 8, 2014, 07:06 AM   #19
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+1 What Jim March said- top quality work and a heck of a nice guy.

Jim, if you get the chance- ask him about the goober who wanted his 1903A3 rebarreled to 6mm Rem with a 1.25 tool knurled SS Lilja bbl... that was me.
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Old March 8, 2014, 09:19 AM   #20
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I have had one annoyance, empty casings are very hard to push out until they cool down. If I put it aside five minutes then they push out. I guess the cylinder is rough but can't see any problem.
Quentin2, without seeing the gun my guess would be the cylinder chambers are bored a little on the large side.

To all those that have posted on this thread I thank you.

I have a Cimarron P model on the way.
I'll shoot it, then if I think it needs anything done to it I'll take it to my bench in the shop to correct any short comings.

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Old March 8, 2014, 01:30 PM   #21
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I have had one annoyance, empty casings are very hard to push out until they cool down. If I put it aside five minutes then they push out. I guess the cylinder is rough but can't see any problem.
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Quentin2, without seeing the gun my guess would be the cylinder chambers are bored a little on the large side.
Thanks for that possibility, Bob. I'll have to measure the cylinders to find out if that's the case. I hadn't thought of a possible manufacturing issue, just rough surfaces in the cylinder. I'll have to run this by Cimarron if only to test their customer support and see what they think.

If it is the case, hopefully it's rare and wouldn't affect current Model Ps if you get one. (I haven't heard anyone else complain of this.) I hope I am able to get a 45ACP cylinder eventually since it's easier to find than 45 Colt. Ordered one 4 months ago and last update was that Uberti was very slow getting them into the USA so no ETA yet.
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Old March 8, 2014, 08:11 PM   #22
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Why do you feel the need to say this? Do you suggest we call it something else?
Because I am picky and like things to be correct. Yes, I suggest you call it a Colt Clone, or Single Action Army replica, which is exactly what it is. I also never use the term 45 Long Colt. If you don't care to read that, you are free to ignore what I write.
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Old March 8, 2014, 09:10 PM   #23
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Because I am picky and like things to be correct. Yes, I suggest you call it a Colt Clone, or Single Action Army replica, which is exactly what it is. I also never use the term 45 Long Colt.
I believe it was you who broke me from referring to the copies as "SAAs" and I tend to agree with you. "Clone" I don't like, and replica is too stilted, I prefer "copy." Agree on the term .45 Colt. Now if we can get rid of the terms ".45 Schofield" and "M911" you will have done a service to the whole shooting community who demand precise terms.

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Old March 8, 2014, 09:48 PM   #24
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I own a cimerron thunderer and 2 uberti cattlemen in 45. they are well made a well finished and I am happy with all 3 of them.
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Old March 8, 2014, 11:53 PM   #25
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Fully agree with the SAA being Colt property.
Nobody else makes the Single Action Army.
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