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Old February 23, 2014, 11:03 AM   #26
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The reason the PPQ has such amazing trigger and that separates itself from all the others is that it is the ONLY totally pre cocked triggers.
The XD and XDM models are fully cocked as well. The M&P is if you put the Apex sear in, not with the factory sear.
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Old February 23, 2014, 09:50 PM   #27
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It's a little PPQish looking. I think the PPQ looks more like the p-30. This new HK reminds me more of a striker fired Walther PPX. Mainly from the upper control layout.
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Old February 23, 2014, 11:48 PM   #28
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Given that the P30 came before the PPQ, and this is basically the looks of a P30 with a striker fired mechanism, I fail to see why.
But the P99 came long before the P30.

And the PPQ came before this HK striker-fired thing.
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Old February 24, 2014, 01:45 AM   #29
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It's not a hoax. HK officially announced it was on the way at SHOT, they just didn't provide any photos.

HK has been producing polymer striker fired pistols since the 70's - quite some time before ANYONE else. They aren't exactly new to the game and this isn't their only new development.
I hadn't heard anything about HK at all from the shot show, so I must have missed it. I'm not implying either that HK is new to it; I'm in the process to acquiring a P7 myself. But they did stop producing them, leaving only the hammer fired models in their lineup, as far as I'm aware. Then everyone jumped back on the bandwagon, with Sig and Beretta, both having never produced striker pistols and now HK as well.

I carry a Kahr and I'm certainly not against strikers but I don't want to see more abandonment of the hammer fire systems.
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Old February 24, 2014, 08:57 AM   #30
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But the P99 came long before the P30.

And the PPQ came before this HK striker-fired thing.
And Walther borrowed the mag release idea from HK. And heck HK had the first polymer pistol.

The both borrow from each other mate, let it go.
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Old February 25, 2014, 12:10 PM   #31
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Looks a lot like the PPQ...will be interesting to see what the trigger is like. I think the PPQ trigger is great for range and sport, but not for an EDC...
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Old February 25, 2014, 11:18 PM   #32
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I love the mag release on the P30 and the PPQ M1. If you put a hammer in the Walther M1 or no hammer on the P30, they look almost like brothers.
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Old February 26, 2014, 02:52 PM   #33
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And Walther borrowed the mag release idea from HK. And heck HK had the first polymer pistol.

The both borrow from each other mate, let it go.
There's nothing to let go.

I was just stating a fact. The P99 predates the P30 and the PPQ predates the new striker-fired HK pistol.

The VP70 predates all of them, for what it's worth, but none of those pistols owe much to the V70s ergonomics.

The "royalties" comment I made was obviously a joke (you know - since HK never paid royalties to Walther for copying for copying the P99's ergos with the P30. Or to Mauser for copying the HSc with the HK4.) OK - that was a joke too.

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Old February 26, 2014, 03:06 PM   #34
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Old February 27, 2014, 01:39 PM   #35
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I think much of the "weirdness" of the look is the angle of the pictures. Holding my P30 at the same angle, they are very similar. The slide is near identical. The shape of the grip in the pic may be from the backstrap on it. At that angle, the P30 also has a weird looking bumpout on the back, just not so high or pronounced. It looks like just the levers on the side of the frame and the extra button in the slide serrations are the main differences from the P30. Probably worth a look, but I prefer hammer fired pistols myself.
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Old February 27, 2014, 03:04 PM   #36
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HK sure has a "unique" look to their pistols,,,

HK sure has a "unique" look to their pistols,,,
I know their guns perform very well,,,
But that one resembles a Hi-point.

Someday I'm gonna have to spend some money at the H&H rental range,,,
I really need to experience what all the HK fanatics rave about.

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Old February 27, 2014, 03:13 PM   #37
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HK sure has a "unique" look to their pistols,,,
I know their guns perform very well,,,
But that one resembles a Hi-point
From a guy with raspberry colored guns I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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Old February 28, 2014, 09:40 AM   #38
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Hello TunnelRat,,,

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From a guy with raspberry colored guns I'll take that with a grain of slat.
Okay, ya got me there my friend,,,

But I never stated they were ugly,,,
I just compared it to a gun some think is ugly.

Semantics, I know,,,
But I still want to try one some day.

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P.S. For the record though,,,
I only have one Raspberry gun,,,
The other one's color is Lady Lilac.

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