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Old February 17, 2014, 10:03 AM   #26
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I've shot deer from 5 yards to 450 yards with a 3-9X scoped bolt action in either .30-06 or .270 Win, but I've had lots of practice and experience in using scopes.

A couple of deer were running by at about 10 yards, but they didn't get away.

Scopes actually work well in wooded areas because you can see branches and stuff in the way much better than without. I've hit a few trees because I didn't have a scope.

It's essential to have the scope mounted so it comes into full-view every time, even when the rifle is mounted with hunting clothes on and your eyes closed, (then opened, obviously).

That means NO SEE-THROUGH MOUNTS, but a low-mounted scope at lowest power setting, and practice, practice, practice.
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Old February 17, 2014, 12:52 PM   #27
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Old February 17, 2014, 01:15 PM   #28
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I have to agree with Picher. I have hit a lot of moving deer with a scoped rifle. I usually hunt in thick stuff too. I like a short tube scope with a fixed power and lots of light gathering ability. On overcast days, it can be dark in heavy brush. The problem with scopes is most people don't practice under "Real hunt" conditions. As Picher said, the scope should be brought up to your eye without thinking about it. Sitting at a range bench will not help much. When I started the X hunting, we worked at that. I put a scope on her .410 bolt action to hunt squirrels. When just sitting, she would practice getting on falling leaves (Without shooting). She actually got pretty good and started knocking deer down after that. Another thing is a gun that really fits, with a short barrel. Caliber does not matter so much, but I am a believer in "Brush busters". You can believe what you want, but I have "Killed" a few saplings and that bullet went straight through. My Buddy shotgunned a running deer one year and took off a sapling in front of it. He actually had pieces of wood in the deer.
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Old February 21, 2014, 03:47 PM   #29
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25-75 yards and on target quickly for deer? Get a .30-30. Take the buckhorns off and put a ghost ring receiver sight on it. Try the new leverevolution ammo.

You will probably shoot a .30-30 more than a .444 or .45-70 so you will be better with it in a hunting situation. I don't know much about the .35 but it seems to me I see .30-30 ammo around more.

I believe anything besides a .30-30 for what you described is over thinking the question or making the answer more complicated than it needs to be.
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Old February 21, 2014, 05:06 PM   #30
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For me I'll take my Rem Model 7 SS in 7-08 with Leupold 3-9 scope mounted as low as possible. For me it hits my shoulder and is perfect, no adjusting just right there, set on 3X it is fast and accounted for several very short range deer, aloowing me to pick a hole to shoot through if necessary and on occasion allowing me to reach out further when the opportunity presents itself. In the thick stuff the gloom persists longer and begins sooner and the Leupold on 3X really picks up the targets well.
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Old February 23, 2014, 06:11 PM   #31
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Sounds like the perfect excuse for a marlin lever action. My go to deer rifle is my .35 Remington. That's what I would go with if bears aren't a problem. If so any of the marlin big bores would be fine.
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Old February 26, 2014, 10:18 PM   #32
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35 Whelen. Mainly because I've wanted one forever, but it is a capable round for anything in North America and it comes in tons of bullet weights. From 200 up to 400grains.
Don't write off a 44 mag rifle. Those Ruger 44 semi auto carbines pack a serious punch and are super light. One of those with a 1-4x or 2-7x scopes would be about perfect for anything 125yards in. I prefer a scope just for the low light ability. I see half my deer in the 15 minutes before and after I can shoot with open sights or a red dot. Still legal times, but it sure gets dark quick in the thick woods. All that being said, my .270 and .308 have killed more deer inside 50 yards than out, both have 3-9x40 scopes. One is a model 70 carbine and the other is a model 700 youth adl. Both are the sane length and pretty light. But my next rifle will be the 44mag Ruger carbine.
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Old February 27, 2014, 06:02 AM   #33
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Picher I've shot deer from 5 yards to 450 yards with a 3-9X scoped bolt action in either .30-06 or .270 Win, but I've had lots of practice and experience in using scopes.

A couple of deer were running by at about 10 yards, but they didn't get away.

Scopes actually work well in wooded areas because you can see branches and stuff in the way much better than without. I've hit a few trees because I didn't have a scope.

It's essential to have the scope mounted so it comes into full-view every time, even when the rifle is mounted with hunting clothes on and your eyes closed, (then opened, obviously).

That means NO SEE-THROUGH MOUNTS, but a low-mounted scope at lowest power setting, and practice, practice, practice.
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Old February 27, 2014, 08:29 PM   #34
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I'll give you my New England choices. I hunt in most areas where my shots will be under 100yrd. If I'm certain it will be a close shot, I take my Marlin 1894 in 44mag with a 2x7 mounted scout style. Its fairly light and short. I notice my hunting partner constantly slinging his 270 bolt action while even on all day hunts. my 1894 can be carried one handed while I clear brush with the other. If I'm hunting areas where a 100Yrd+ shot may be possible, I go with my Remmington 7600 pump in 35 Whelen. As a previous poster stated, 35 whelen is a great round. My TC Encore shoots sub 1" at 150yrd with 200gr bullets. My 7600 isn't as accurate but it's certainly accurate out to 250 for deer. I would also recommend the Browning BLR in 358win. My only caution on that is that 358 seems to be in it's twilight. But man, what a rifle.

For reasons that escape me, 35 cal guns haven't really caught on. I don't know why. Both 358win and 35 Whelen are great rounds for and med to large north American game. You can get 2900fps with a 200gr bullet which replicates the trajectories of the more popular 30 cal Bullets. They hit like a hammer yet recoil isn't as bad as the magnums. So its good for deer, elk, moose, bear, hog. All out to the same ranges as any other round.
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Old March 20, 2014, 04:06 AM   #35
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Too much

"Too much" scope is a hindrance in the brush. A low mounted, low powered scope with a visible reticle (not necessarily a duplex) is just as usable, and will allow shooting through holes as others have mentioned. It will also allow point counts when necessary, and allow more precision past 100 if necessary.

About the only time I've had a problem with a scope is when jammed with snow or ice or downpour rain, or a scope failure. I've also had a wee bit of trouble seeing to fine a crosshair against a dark animal in bad light. A German #1 installed by Leupold factory solved that issue.
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Old March 20, 2014, 05:19 PM   #36
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I envy you guys, 75 yards max? In places, you can easily find a 500 yard shot here. Mine are mostly around 150 yards. For the 25-75 yards, why not a .357, .44, or .45? A good lever, NEF, or Circuit Judge fits the bill nicely. A .30-30 is a good round as well. I suggest not using LeveRevolution ammo in thick brush like someone had mentioned already. Use nothing but regular soft points. The LeveRevolution might do more damage but brush can stop it, that small limb in your way you didn't see will ruin your day.
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Old March 20, 2014, 05:40 PM   #37
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Originally posted by WV_gunner:
I envy you guys, 75 yards max? In places, you can easily find a 500 yard shot here. Mine are mostly around 150 yards. For the 25-75 yards, why not a .357, .44, or .45?

This is why I like my 77/44 with the 2X7 Nikon. Light, fast and more than enough horsepower for deer up to 150 yards. Problem with areas where 75 yards is your max shot, you don't see the deer till they are right on top of you. You have to be ready at anytime, because if you're not, you'll get caught with your pants down. I envy you guys that see deer 4-500 yards out and have time to get the gun up and wait for the perfect shot instead of having to always have the gun at ready or risk not being able to move when that buck pops outta the brush @ 40 yards.
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Old March 20, 2014, 07:04 PM   #38
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Any bullet can deflect. I would feel out of sorts using my 7mm Rem Mag in the brush but its a long gun and again in the butt to carry through brush.

A short barreled gun like a 45-70 would be a good option however. In a strong action like a Ruger No. 1, the 45-70 can be loaded mild to really wild.
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Old March 20, 2014, 10:01 PM   #39
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The OP's description sounds a lot like where I hunt in Ohio.

An old 870 express with a slug barrel has worked for me these last 15 years.
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Old March 21, 2014, 06:48 AM   #40
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To add on to what I've already said, a .45-70 would be a good choice as well. I have a NEF chambered in that and it's a great gun.
If you have the money and want something oddball, I bet the .338-06 would be a good choice too.
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Old March 21, 2014, 07:40 AM   #41
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"A scope is just a hindrance in brush"(spelling corrected BTW)
Only if it's not mounted properly or you've never learned to use the scope. I've shot deer both standing and moving as close as 5 yards using a scoped rifle. The right scope, properly mounted used by a shooter who knows how to use it, is not handicapped by any normal hunting scenario.
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Old March 21, 2014, 08:33 AM   #42
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I have a Savage 99F (featherweight) in 300 Savage caliber, it sounds to me it would be the ideal rifle for the type of hunting being discussed.
It sure is easy to pack and handles extremely fast.

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Old March 22, 2014, 08:24 AM   #43
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Remington model seven in 7-08 with a 3x9 nikon, 18 or 20 in barrel, great knockdown power, accurate, light and easily manuverable in tight quarters and will get out there to 200 yds plus quite easy. But the main thing is, whatever you choose, like some others have said, Practice practice practice...
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Old March 22, 2014, 08:52 AM   #44
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Any variable scope that turns down to the 3-4x range will be fine. That's where I leave mine anyway and seldom adjust it higher.

In brushy country where you may be called upon to make a quick shot, the fit of the rifle-scope combination is more important than any reasonable caliber, what scope you have mounted, or the particular rifle. You just need to be able to pull the rifle to your shoulder and essentially be on target or close.

If I were buying a scope special for such a hunt, it would be a short variable or fixed 4x.

If this is not something you are comfortable with, practice snap shooting on soda cans, clay pigeons and so forth at ranges to 100 yds.
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Old March 25, 2014, 06:55 AM   #45
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JMR, back to page one ......the photo of your Winchester is one neat set up, what is the caliber? Who made the barrel?
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Old March 25, 2014, 07:15 AM   #46
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Another tip for shooting moving animals in the woods: Find an opening ahead of the animal and point the rifle there and adjust as the animal enters the opening.

If you try to follow an animal, your bullet will more likely hit a tree.

However, if an animal is running through the woods and there are lots of trees between you and and the animal, it's a real crap-shoot; not a good idea to shoot.
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Old March 26, 2014, 03:02 PM   #47
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Well, let's start over at the beginning, since it can't really be answered till we know this: What's your budget? New or used? With or without scope and rings?

But I tend to agree with jmr40, without knowing more. Short, light, 20" .260 rem turnbolt. Light being the most key word in that phrase. Savage lightweight hunter in .260 is a great starting point, depending upon budget.

Add appropriate lightweight scope.... maybe a 1.5-6x40 if you can find one. Or a 1-4, 1.5-4, 1.5-5, 2-7 or 2-8, with an objective bell in the 32mm range give or take 4mm. Something like that.
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Old March 31, 2014, 06:55 AM   #48
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life long new englander here.there are no brush busters any contact with branches may alter trajectory quite a bit even with a .458win never mind a 45-70.
as far as levers and auto loaders,shots on running game never pay off.
for thick brush use a light weight gun with a short barrel like a 7mm-08,260rem,6.5-55 and actually if only hunting deer a .243.shoot inbetween the branches.
if you insist on running shot use a 12ga shotgun with #2buck which gives a bigger spread on running deer heads and necks then 00 buck.

however if you stay quiet and scentless any gun is a winner.any good shooter who makes his own ammo and spends every waking hour at the range can hunt west.but it takes something more than gun skills to get within 65 yards of scent weiley whitetails.
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Old March 31, 2014, 07:01 AM   #49
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Well put green_MTman.
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Old March 31, 2014, 08:49 AM   #50
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thank you
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